Sarah Stinger Rocks!!!

By Loudoun Insider

I tell you, I wish we had more citizens who cared as much as Sarah Stinger about the sorry state of their government here in Loudoun County.  As outlined in this Leesburg Today article, Stinger has filed a formal complaint with the US Department of Education against Loudoun County Public Schools for their ridiculously botched attempted deal with Sal Cangiano for his Wheatland property (see this Center For Public Integrity article for a synopsis if you aren’t familiar with the fiasco).  Current School Board Chairman John Stevens makes a weird attempt to distance himself from the fiasco that he supported, then says that of course this has no merit and LCPS is 100% wonderful.

For anyone living in western Loudoun County this deal is a prime example of the blatant favoritism and insider dealing that has gotten Loudoun County in the mess it is in with growth.  If you want change you need to vote out those who supported this on the School Board, including At Large member Tom Reed, Blue Ridge School Board member Priscilla Godfrey, and Catoctin School Board member Jennifer Bergel.  Bob Ohneiser, Jill Turgeon, and Paul Arias need your vote and support – please spread the word to everyone you know.  And as far as John Stevens goes, it looks like he is ready to go down to tenacious reformer Debbie Rose in the new Algonkian District, who is out-campaigning every School Board candidate out there.  The time for real reform and accountability is here if we clean house at the School Board.


  • Erika M. Cotti says:

    I can’t help but wonder why is Sarah Stinger not running for a seat on the School Board?

    Her tenacity is something to behold. Sarah has repeatedly held the School Board accountable. I still remember her Oct 2007 inquiry about over crowding.

  • BlackOut says:

    Someone need to file a complaint against Sarah Stinger.

    Same crap that there was no there there last time, so recycle it, send it to someone else right before the election and announce it to the media.

    How many crazies can one county hold? Apparently a lot.

  • Ashburn Focused says:

    Read the article and read the first comment on LTM. Am I reading this right that we spent $200,000 on a hydraulic study and we drilled a well for a property that we don’t own??? And then we did not purchase the property. Please tell me I am getting this wrong.

  • G.Stone says:

    You want to stop this ? Send every current borad member packing. It is time to set the re-set.

  • Hillsboro says:

    On cue, BlackOut jumps in with the personal attacks on Sarah. He simply can’t argue the facts. Shall we revisit your last attacks on Sarah when it was shown that you were blatantly lying about her audit request?

    Sarah’s lawsuit forced them to disclose thousands of pages of documents that LCPS had been withholding and, in flagrant violation of FOIA law had failed to disclose the existence of. For years, LCPS had been improperly responding to citizens FOIA requests.

    And it took an order from Judge Cannon to force them to produce the documents related the hydro study that Ashburn Focused mentions. They certainly didn’t want to give those up.

    BlackOut… how do you justify spending hundreds of thousands of dollars drilling a high capacity well on property that you aren’t buying? And in a court-ordered response, admit that there isn’t a single mention of this well in any note, email or report?

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Yeah AF, but it was OK for us to spend that $200k on that well and the studies because Sal Cangiano owns the land. You know, the guy who Loudoun County loves to buy land from right after he buys and he applies huge markups to so we can pay more. And don’t forget that the lawyer representing the county in that purchase actually represented Cangiano just a couple years earlier on other land deals.

    BlackOut as usual is way off base about Sarah Stinger because she embarrassed the hell out of his pal Robert DuPree who was all over that stinky Cangiano deal and so many others. Sarah Stinger is absolutely not crazy, she is a determined citizen activist who has unveiled tons of misconduct at LCPS. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Sarah Stinger deserves a medal.

  • BlackOut says:

    Hillsboro, please do review the tape on that old old debate. Not sure if the archive here goes back that far but you can check. The record was well established.

    If I didn’t know any better I’d think “pam” and Sarah were sisters. The amount of money this county spends placating both of them should be investigated.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    There’s a huge difference between “Pam” and Sarah Stinger – Sarah Stinger’s FOIA requests have turned up clear evidence of malfeasance, deception, and wasteful spending at LCPS.

  • Hillsboro says:

    Still no facts from BlackOut, just a new personal attack.

    That old debate was very easy to find…

    “She demanded an immediate vote for an audit!” I challenged you again and again to substantiate that claim, but you never could, and instead just ignored it, only to pop up another day with a new personal attack.

  • squiddy says:

    The more manic and frequent BO’s ad hominem attacks become, the more convinced I become that his foe is in the right.

    Lately, you’re starting to remind me of zimzo …

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    squid, more here than meets the eye, and less.

    The 40-pager reffed in the article was presented at a board meeting, and Bob Ohneiser wanted to suspend the rules and vote on the audit request right away. Others did not vote to do so, on the grounds that they had just been presented with 40 pages of stuff they hadn’t read yet, and consequently weren’t going to vote to approve it without reading it. Look up the meeting cast–O pops up with well HE’D read it and…oops. Got it in advance, Bob? Okay.

    That then appeared in reimaging as only Bob having the courage to address etc etc.

    As for the water study, there aren’t very many firms on the east coast that do studies of the magnitude necessary to vet land for any kind of major development, whether it is residential, public buildings, etc. The fact that the board hired the same one previously used by the owner is not necessarily the smoking gun of collusion so often painted, but the fact that THAT’S the best firm that does that stuff.

    The fact that there WAS a water study is part of exploring sites. That’s kind of a no-brainer (and that is not directed at you squid). The fact that it was done on Wheatland is because not only does the school board have the power under state law to aquire, hold title to, etc etc property, the BoS gave them the go ahead to explore–twice, and only Buckley and York had the guts to admit it on the record after the second time.

    Sarah (under her maiden name at L2Day?) says no one on the school board saw this before she filed it–which may be true, as her partner in her Small Town Schools endeavor that has been pushing this is an attorney named Pamela Baldwin. Yes, that Baldwin.

    The only thing new about this (which has been investigated before, and found nothing) is the schools reporter at L2Day, and the only thing missing from this October Surprise may be the bunny suit.

  • SarahS says:

    Clarification. The ~$200k study included several new wells. The invoice for the offsite well (WLS-16) groups it with the others but installation of WLS-16 appears to have cost~$25k. Local firm GeoTrans qualified for this kind of work. Others prohibited from demonstrating quals or bidding. Wonder if the land purchase contract otherwise would have failed because they couldn’t find sufficient water onsite.

  • Rob Iola says:

    FWIW, you guys do realize that Sarah’s a hydrogeologist. Perhaps she has additional undisclosed interests in $200K water studies…

    More on point, how’s Squircle High coming?

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    Woah!! Hold on there!! I know Sarah professionally. I know what she does and I know what the company she works for does. She has no interests in hydro studies in Loudoun County or elsewhere of the nature being described here (i.e. involving water supply). She works in a completely unrelated sector of the field.

    Carry on.

  • SarahS says:

    Others likely exist but GeoTrans headquartered in Sterling VA.

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    “As for the water study, there aren’t very many firms on the east coast that do studies of the magnitude necessary to vet land for any kind of major development, whether it is residential, public buildings, etc.”

    It is true that there are not MANY but there are enough that the LCPS could have (and probably should have) at least bid the work out and even selected E&G so as to remove any scent of a conflict. Sarah has a point here and I think most people agree with her on this front, at least.

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    “…even NOT selected E&G so as to remove any scent of a conflict”


  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Eric, if they’re the best, and usually used, is there any reason other than the fact that Sarah does not want the same one used after the fact that they shouldn’t have been used?

    If you have an account in the same bank that a drug dealer has one in (that meets all the rules), does that make you a drug dealer?

    I don’t think so, but you might if the shoe were on the other foot.

  • SarahS says:

    Barb wants process but apparently has a problem with government using competitive bidding process

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    I said EXACTLY why they should have been bid competitively and even why they might not have been a good choice from an appearance of conflict basis.

    And to answer your question, if I had the choice to put my money in a bank who accepted drug dealer dollars and one who did not, I know which one I would choose – for basically the very same reasons.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Sarah, I have no problem with bidding–that’s exactly what they do with a lot of their stuff.

    I have a problem with you quoting a portion of law that relates to commodities like toilet paper and ketchup, and claiming that they are in fraudulent and criminal violation of state law…for not applying it to land that you want them to build on.

    Or with saying they are inviolation of proper RFP process…before they’ve adopted one.

    And so on.
    Eric, and you ask how many dealers they have as customers before opening an account, right? lol

  • Hillsboro says:

    >> [I have a problem with you ] saying they are inviolation of proper RFP process…before they’ve adopted one.

    An organization that doesn’t have an established RFP process — yet spends hundreds of millions of our tax dollars every year on capital projects…

    and Barbara defends them against a citizen asking for reforms.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Umm, no Hillsboro. I remain unimpressed with the elide over using the tools available to change that process, instead of flogging conspiracy theories (and now filing charges that have already been investigated as an October surprise) and simply demanding that process be DIFFERENT.

    Is Sarah a citizen “asking for reform”, or someone who is going to use any tools available (other than the ones available in code and process to attampt to get things changed the way she likes) to gain attention for her personal cause (and apparent vendetta).

    Guess what? if you’re in the midst of adopting an RFP process (in response to one of Sarah’s tantrums–establishing an open RFP process on site selection goes against one of the few open meeting exemptions under state FOIA law: acquisition of real property is discussed in closed session for a reason, particularly in high growth areas), and you put out an RFP (in response to one of Sarah’s tantrums), and it doesn’t go the way Sarah wants, should Sarah then have another tantrum that they are in violation of the proposal they haven’t formally adopted yet?

    That isn’t “asking for reform”, at least it doesn’t appear to be anything so seemingly benign.

  • Hillsboro says:

    Wow, you’ve managed to use the word tantrum 3 times in a single sentence. Team BarOut is really on its game today!

  • SarahS says:

    Barb Hatrick reported to the Joint Committee over a year ago that LCPS used RFP successfully to purchase Harmony MS site.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    hillsboro, there have been lots more than three.

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    “Eric, and you ask how many dealers they have as customers before opening an account, right?”

    So you are saying that the LCPS didn’t know that E&G had already done work for Sal on this property? Got some land in FLA for you if that’s what you think.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Eric, they seem to have had an obvious preference for anyone who has done work for Cangiano on that deal – the groundwater folks and the LCPS attorney to name just two. I wonder where they got the appraiser for the deal.

  • SarahS says:

    Barb at 10:52. Baldwin not involved.

    New information was just revealed in FOIA response (to other party) that was received last week. It revealed LCPS staff instructed contractor that that well was off site and only to be used as fall-back. Never before this email was released has it been revealed LCPS had trouble finding adequate yield onsite to support the school complex. The contract was contingent on adequate water supply yet they were proceeding full steam ahead anyway.
    It also revealed an appraiser statement was fabricated.
    It also supports that RFP was rigged for Cangiano – he never even submitted a proposal!
    Lots of new information indeed

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    No Eric, I’m not saying that. Nice try though. I’m still saying they are the best of a very few choices.

    Sarah, just read your letter with the additional conspiracy theory at L2Day, and including your endorsements.

    I’m curious as to why you are still endorsing Kuesters?

    The others seem to be aligned with the new PAC that has the new spokesperson.

  • DC Beltway Bandit says:

    If Sarah is really endorsing Kuesters…Houston we have a problem.

    Kuesters was arrested, he has a trial on Nov 7th, he has filed for bankruptcy and has been sued by at least 1 Ashburn HOA. Kuester is unfit to have any say on the LCPS budget, it would be like having a alcoholic owning or running a popular bar.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Concluding sentence:

    “Vote for Ohneiser, York, Arias, Baldwin, Turgeon, Fox, Rose, Volpe, Kuesters and Hornberger.”

  • BlackOut says:

    Once again Sarah is grabbing FOIAs and looking at them through a soda straw for things that support her theories.

    She absolutely is like Sally, they both grab onto an idea, an idea that has a few grains of truth in them and they are off to the races. Eventually a massive story develops and eventually they are way in over their heads andthey start making things up to justify their preconceived notions. As more truth is tossed on the pile they refuse to consider it or adjust their original conclusions. It becomes a big game. They are only looking, hearing or reading things that they want to hear. Once this goes on for sometime then things get real personal with them and they go into defensive mode. It’s a pattern over and over.

    As their credibility gets crushed and the topic is steamrolled those nuggets of truth get lost. And any context to their meaning is forgotten or diluted.

    This is a broken record, and they both count on fatigue setting in. The are truly like energizer bunnies. Someone please pull the batteries out.

  • SarahS says:

    As more truth is tossed on the pile they refuse to consider it or adjust their original conclusions.

    Blackout please break the LCPS silence and share the pile of truth about well WLS-16. I’ll get the popcorn.

  • BlackOut says:

    I am not going around the mulberry bush with you again Sarah. We had this debate last time, I am confident the record is well established. Your claims went no where last time and I see nothing that has changed them this time.

    At this point we’ll just have to wait until you get your ruling.

  • G.Stone says:

    “Still no facts from BlackOut, just a new personal attack.”
    Did you really expect anything different ?

  • Hillsboro says:

    Of course he won’t discuss well WLS-16 with you Sarah, because he simply can’t bring any facts to the table. Instead just more personal attacks.

    So, LCPS paid $200 K for the wells and the study, but they never got the final report?

  • BlackOut says:

    Carry on fellas, I never read or write a book a second time when it lacked substance the first time around.

  • SarahS says:

    Yes, a report was prepared. It was one of the hardest documents to be extracted from LCPS to date. Efforts to obtain that report required a specific FOIA request, several weeks of emails between Mr. Byard and I (while they looked then came back to me stating, literally, the report did not exist), my phone call to Loudoun Water to get the report from them because EGGIs invoice indicated a copy was submitted to Loudoun Water and then finally soliciting the help from the Virginia FOIA Council in Richmond. After all that, LCPS finally released the report to me. And to give credit, they agreed to provide it in electronic format (on a flash drive) instead of charging me tons of money for printing. LCPS’ dance leads me to conclude: they are either so disorganized that they didn’t know they had a report for which they were billed the prior year ~$25k to prepare; or, they intentionally wanted to withhold that report from the public. Someone recently suggested a third possibility, that the report didn’t exist at the time of the request and was quickly pulled together and then back dated, but I am confident that contractor and staff would never advance that fraud.

  • SarahS says:

    Also to be clear, the approved budget for the entire study was in the $200k range, but some of that was not spent and thus should have been available for due diligence studies of the McDonough Assemblage (or other sites nearer to the Towns of Lovettsville or Hillsboro), but instead of using those funds, LCPS only cared about continuing efforts to purchase Cangiano land in Wheatland. Days AFTER the 1-year Assemblage landowner contracts with Mr. McDonough expired in April 2010, LCPS told Supervisors they needed MORE money for HS-10 land acquisition studies.

    Interesting, Loudoun Economic Development Commission Chairman John Wood told me in person that Mayor Walker specifically supported the McDonough Assemblage when she gave him a tour of Lovettsville. But LCPS effectively sabotaged that option for a Town high school. To my knowledge, LCPS has rejected (and then some) a total of five viable near Town options: H&C Miller on Milltown, Lovettsville Park (via flip with other parcel), Shoene/Engle, McDonough and P&H Miller on FryFarm. Two other options that some have suggested are viable include Opeka (wonderful Christmas tree farm) and Mercker on Milltown.

  • The Ghost of Oscar Emerick says:

    Lets not forget that the current School Board was not in favor of the land purchase! It was the BOS! Not since Thomas Jefferson and company has there been a better more informed School Board then who we have now! Please! Dont change them we dont want the tax and spend Republicans that would take office. They will cause our class size to go up 41%!

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