David “Illegal Sign King” Ramadan Strikes Again

By Loudoun Insider

Stilson from Leesburg Today hit the nail on the head with his cartoon this past week:

Ramadan wants to give the Greenway the ability to have outdoor advertising on it, basically meaning billboards.  All this after the Loudoun Board’s measure to keep more illegal signs on our roadways and allow flashing electronic signs with no set standards.  Of course Ramadan was a big funder of many of those Supervisors while being the worst violator of VDOT’s restrictions on signs in road rights of way.  What Ramadan and the press also don’t tell you is that his personal PR consultants who helped him barely get elected also represent The Greenway as lobbyists/PR people.  Your government at work, folks.


  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Ramadan is trying to justify this by saying it will then gives us distance-based tolling on the Greedway. However, Dick Black (and I thank him for this) submitted a bill in the Senate that would give us distance-based tolling without the billboards. Guess who is tight with the Greedway lobbyists, and who isn’t?

    Here’s a comparison piece at the LTM:


  • edmundburkenator says:

    Did Ramadan have this idea on his campaign lit?

    Just kidding… we are finding out early about all the stuff that should have been asked by “the media” so people could evaluate candidates properly.

    The vague, no-details-here, crap many folks run with paint them as something they really aren’t.

  • BlackOut says:

    All this is nothing but a bunch of showboating. Legislating distance pricing would do nothing but solicit a lawsuit. Black doesn’t have the accumen to really understand the problem. He should check with TAG Greason who has been digging into this for a couple of years. To include extensive conversations with the owners of the Greedway.

    I’ll say this much about Ramadan he sure does produce “words” in a hyper-industrial way. Geez between the thousands and thousands of campaign flyers, his roadspam, and his endless email blasts he certainly takes the white noise award.

    eb, who knows if he said anything in his campaign. Did anyone really read the tonage?

  • BlackOut says:

    I am all for distance pricing but just bullying this thru is going to cause issues for Black’s Leesburg constituents.

    Think about it. IF this was passed, and a bigger IF the Greedway complied and didn’t sue. I am sure all they would do is reshuffle the rates. In effect, the eastern entrances/exits would get a smaller toll and the western (Leesburg) exits would get a much higher toll. And both increased for the new construction costs. That should make Black’s new neighbors happy.

    The only answer here is to work directly with the Greedway and try to broker something that works. It may take tax money to help build those additional toll booths. A legislative hammer is not the answer. I’ll keep my money on TAG with this one. I have no hope for the highlighted legislative initiatives.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    You might have an interesting strategy point there, BO. Let’s say this bill passed (which I don’t see happening) with some insider knowledge that it wouldn’t live up to a court challenge. If that part gets tossed, would the billboard enabling portion stay in effect? I bet it would.

  • Leej says:

    Prediction for our next president. He will come out of nowhere.
    Jeb Bush. And I can’t believe I am saying this. 🙂 I think he might be a good one. Dark Horse who he might be. Because the republicans have clowns running now. We will see.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Lee, please try to stick to the topic.

  • Leej says:

    Alright LI but this thread is nonsense. There will never be billboards or advertising on the greenway. Then again I am wrong. Look at the trucks next to the main toll booth with billboards painted on them and that is a billboard. Yet legal. And this county does not collect a dime off them. I brought this up a zillion years ago. Yet they are still there.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    This post isn’t nonsense, Lee, nor are the several newspaper articles about it. As ridiculous as it sounds, one of Loudoun’s state delegates introduced a bill to allow it. But then again that delegate, who barely got elected in a strong Republican district, just happens to be a huge fan of huge signs on our roadways, hell he put lots of them up touting himself in those locations.

  • Leej says:

    OK LI what is the solution???? No more no less.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    I am not commenting on Ramadan or connections between him and anyone, but as I detailed on another thread, I am COMPLETELY in favor of competition to the Greenway, and a version that is covered in signs and charges nothing.

    This kind of thing is where it all goes wrong. If you privatize the road, the set up competition and don’t regulate it. When you mix privatization and government, you get a mess.

    Why should the government have any say over what is done with the property? They should be able to charge a million dollars each way if they have people willing to pay.

    I will agree that this greenway is a mess. It is not because of privatization though. It is because of cronyism and government screw ups in setting it up in the first place.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    LA, you hit it on the cronyism re the Greenway, but that started when it was set up in the first place.

    And then had a sale (first of many) when they didn’t pay themselves back for building it.

    And the tolls have gone up and up and up throughout its history of (many) sales.

    Some of which seem to have been to some of the same people under different organizational names.

    I have to say, I get a real kick out of some of the folks who focus on its name having “green” in it, and call it an unsullied drive through our rural landscape (from the bypass to the airport? rotfl!), who are some of the SAME folks who oppose any competition to it in the form of alternative routes on the grounds that roads cause growth.

    Funny how the Jamestown Compact, which was founded to preserve viewshed on rtes 50 and 15, was founded by the same people who DEVELOPED the Greenway, as a spine on which to hang growth (between the bypass and the airport).

    And the tolls go up and up, and it keeps getting passed from corporation to global corporation, and it NEVER pays for itself.

  • Leej says:

    Ok many can always find the problem. Human nature. 😉

    just bitch bitch bitch.. But never find and I emphasize the correct solution not just any solution

    But most never have the correct solution but the correct solution will solve this. What is the correct solution?????

    Lately I don’t heart solutions I just hear about the problems 🙂

  • BlackOut says:

    There are many possible solutions to the problem. It depends on the solution and it depends on the problem. I’ve found that most problems have solutions, but then again some problems just have nothing but bad solutions. As for the solutions on this specific problem, I’d say we have to look for a sign on what is the best solution. I am not sure in this case what is the solution, much less how we can minimize the problem.

  • BlackOut says:

    Barbara you are absolutely right. The Greedway issues started when it was originally agreed to. What a mess.

    I wonder how they got all that linear mileage? Most of been some public help in gaining such a stretch.

  • JTR says:

    I think we may be looking at two different approaches to get the desired (distance tolls) change for the Greenway. However, the approach to simply legislate this is probably a non starter in that there is a CONTRACT between the road corp. and the state. I suspect it would stand judicial review. May be a nice talking point and political posturing, but little chance of success. On the other hand allowing a carrot (the signs) in exchange for voluntary contract modification might be successful. Now the only question is the juice worth the squeeze. That is the debate.

  • Leej says:

    I will give a different perspective. This road is a gift to Loudoun.

    Who here posting can build a road like this???? I am listening hmmmmm

  • Independent Voter says:

    No signs, period. If they are allowed on the Greenway, where next, Routes 7, 15, 50, 28, and so on? Hell, NOVA will look like I-95 in the Carolinas and Florida.

    Keep Loudoun Beautiful.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    I have no clue what got Lee so riled up about this. The answer is forcing distance based tolling – it is the only fair and equitable way to run a toll facility when tolls get this high. If it was a buck or even two it wouldn’t be such a big deal. That’s my opinion, not sure if it is legally defensible or not, but it’s worth a try. Dick Black’s bill is much more preferable than Ramadan’s, forget the billboards.

  • Elder Berry says:

    I still come across Ramadan campaign signs in various places. What is it about him and signs, some kind of fetish?

    I agree that if they do distance pricing they will just ease up on the east and soak the west. There is no inherently “fair” way to charge. There are arguments for distance pricing but you can also argue it other ways.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Ramadan is an arrogant egotist, hence the signs and extreme reactions to anyone who disagrees with him, including the inevitable charges of racism. I’m surprised no one has hopped on here yet to accuse me of Islamophobia.

    I hear the arguments of those worried about jacked up tolls from the western end to the eastern end, but that’s what this is all about. For God’s sakes if you go one exit you shouldn’t have to pay the same amount as if you went the whole distance. it is patently unfair.

    Of course if we had a state government that hadn’t been using Loudoun taxes as a piggy bank to fund hardly traveled highway projects elsewhere maybe we wouldn’t be stuck with having to rely so much on this damn toll road.

    So just when IS Loudoun going to get its fair share of transportation dollars from the state??? Now that we’re hurting in this department will the rest of the state pitch in to help bail us out after we helped fund their projects for so long??? I won’t hold my breath. But hey, at least we may end up with billboards on the Greenway. We have that to be “thankful” for.

  • Rtwng Extrmst says:

    Speaking of signs… How come VA Virtucon is no longer on TC’s Blogroll?

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    I just added a few new ones and decided not to support in any way bloggers who are obsessed with me.

  • I gotta broker some kind of a peace conference with you guys and Dave Ramadan. He’s not the devil you guys make him out to be.

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