Vogel Sees the Light, Will Move to Strike Ultrasound Bill

By Lloyd the Idiot

In late breaking news from Richmond, both the Richmond Times-Dispatch and The Washington Post are reporting that Sen. Jill Vogel will move to strike HB 484, the abortion ultrasound bill.  I was never a fan of it to begin with, but I am gladified (new term I’ve coined) to see that she’s reasonable enough to reconsider.

From the RTD:

“There are moments when you are a legislator when you have to stop and you have to have a moment of real conscience,” Vogel said. “I sort of had that moment this morning considering the outcome and the fate of this bill.”

Vogel said that after hearing from constituents, including doctors, that she did not “feel in good conscience that I want to carry the bill in its current form.”

What remains to be seen is whether the bill’s co-patrons will be as reasonable.


  • Loudoun Insider says:

    So who will the abortion fanatics set up to take out Vogel?

  • I just want to see what co-patron Dick “why is everyone talking about social issues” Black does with this, particularly given the ardent defense he received here earlier.

  • Leesburg Dad says:

    I’m a little confused about Sen. Vogel’s stance. Has she decided that the abortion bill might be a bad idea, or does she prefer her version to Gov. McDonnell’s edit and refuses to move forward with his watered down version?

  • Leesburg Dad says:

    Interesting. None of her website, twitter feed nor Facebook page has been updated in days. You’d think she would have something to communicate to her followers and constituents…

  • BlackOut says:

    If she has been thumped enough, “not to carry it forward in it’s current form”, what form is she thinking of carrying it? She and Black are going to be hearing about this for a long time.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Guys, this will come back AFTER the 2012 election. McD has told everyone from the BOS to now the GA that this year is not time to be stoking the social con fires and make this state blue again in 2012.

    Not sure why the memo wasn’t issued/received prior to this…

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Well looks like Planned Parenthood will lose their “state mandated rape” talking point.

  • … but Planned Parenthood will continue to pillage innocents at the rate of 1.2 million a year.

  • Dan says:

    Ain’t democracy grand?

    An elected official introduces a terrible bill that rightly outrages constituents who, in in their wisdom and non-ideological common sense, see clearly for what it is. Said clear thinking constituents effectively communicate their outrage to said elected official. Said elected official realizes, belatedly, that constituents ARE awake and paying attention when their elected officials try to pull stuff like this. Said elected official throws on the brakes. At least enough to avoid too much damage from aforementioned boneheaded play.

    Ain’t democracy grand!

    To the ideologues who are spluttering their talking points about Planned Parenthood and their other boogeymen on this topic as if they have suffered a defeat here, get a grip. You’ve won! This horrible bill IS GOING TO PASS. And the governor will sign it. The only thing that has changed is that one of the most particularly disgusting portions of a thoroughly disgusting bill will be dropped. You are still going to get your wish to use government power to punish women for making a legal choice that you don’t like. Be happy! This is the big government you want.

    I don’t think Mitt Romney will want to touch McDonnell with a ten meter cattle prod after this though. As far as the VP nomination goes that is. I think McDonnell is calculating that signing the bill pleases the rabid base enough to make him acceptable and that dropping that one provision somehow will make him the reasonable finder of compromise that general election voters want. Don’t see it. I think his national ambitions are screwed.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Where is the so-con outrage at Vogel for back pedaling???

  • I just couldn’t resist doing a victory dance at Bearing Drift after the wack-ball comments over there.


  • BlackOut says:

    Natt, this has nothing to do with talking points. It’s about keeping a ridiculous overbearing law get on the books. Looks like that is working out.

    Doesn’t mean that patrons of these types of bills like Dick Black and Bob Marshall won’t be off the hook.

    Why don’t you go and use some “talking points” on those knuckleheads and ask them why they aren’t getting attention for efforts associated with the budget, etc. You know the stuff they actual ran on, rather than on things they obfuscated from the electorate.

  • Cato the Elder says:

    (serious mode: on)

    I’m personally very happy to see this nanny-state mandate go down in flames.

    On another note, it would be nice to see the pitchforks come out over TSA porno scanners, warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detention of US citizens by the military, edicts that private corporations give away products and services for free, etc. but it appears that there must be actual and literal penetration of an orifice to prod a critical mass of sheep into bleating loudly enough such that their elected representation pays attention.

    Wake up.

    (serious mode: off)

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Good points, Cato, but you seem to be correct about the penetration trigger.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Well, you may get some penetration on indefinite detentions, but those guys are terrrrrrrists, so we are ok with that.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Only one problem with the “talking points” and “literal penetration”: it was nothing but a talking point that literal penetration was being mandated for all women.

    Ain’t six degrees of Kevin Bacon grand in the politics of democracy!

    (speaking of sheep)

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Perception is reality in politics. If there was nothing wrong with this bill then these great moral leaders shouldn’t have caved then, should they?

  • Baron Rosedown says:

    Walking the halls of the GA building earlier this morning, I heard more than a handful of R & D Senators stating “Vogel is done”. When she got off the 5th floor elevator everyone around her scattered like roaches when you turn on a light. This bill was crap and the General Assembly is making National news for all the wrong reasons.

    Hell, I think the Dems should introduce legislation requiring men who are seeking vasectomies to go through extensive state funded physiological counseling.

  • Independent Voter says:

    Hell, I think the Dems should introduce legislation requiring men who are seeking vasectomies to go through extensive state funded physiological counseling.

    Hell, no, no state funding! Vasectomy patients should be prodded and poked PLUS they should have to foot the bill for the unnecessary invasive procedure.. The women will have to pay for their ultrasound procedures out of pocket so let’s have equal opportunity here.

    BTW: Does a vasectomy come under Santorum’s birth control prohibition? I know, some guy is going to say that vasectomy isn’t contraception…. Semantics! It is the same as tubal ligation however and how does the far right feel about that?

  • Planned Parenthood already mandates an ultrasound has to be performed before they will give an abortion. Their reasoning, surprize, surprize – so they can determine age of fetus. If a person does not want a transvaginal, then they have to wait until the fetus is old enough for an external ultrasound to be effective.


    Even the Texas Planned Parenthood website admits “Ultrasounds have been a standard part of abortion services and are always performed on every patient before any type of procedure is done.”


    So Liberals, and most of the commentators on TC, fanatic claims of government induced rape and other fearmongering doesn’t hold water with Jill Vogel’s bill.

    The only difference is this bill would give the mother a chance to view the ultrasound, so she would hopefully change her mind and keep the child.

  • Therefore I suggest to change the wording of SB484 to:

    “if an ultrasound is performed then the patient has to be notified of their right to view the ultrasound of the fetus in real time”.

  • Baron, I certainly don’t think “Vogel is done” as a senator. She’s very bright and a good senator, but this bill was a huge mistake from the beginning.

  • NoVA Scout says:

    Yeah – it was a mistake and now everyone’s running for the exits. But don’t forget that they all talked themselves into a lather about this and that, until a day or two ago, they thought it was the best thing since canned beer. It took a comedian to make this go away. It shows how utterly low the standard is for governance in the Commonwealth, how shallow the reverence for personal liberty and small government, and how weak the minds of our elected representatives who can get into a group think mode as long as they keep parroting slogans to each other in a restricted space. Pathetic.

  • Ben Dover says:

    NoVA Scout….Hear, Hear. Well stated, and beyond pathetic (whatever that place may be).

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    One of the greatest things to happen to TC recently is the return of NOVA Scout to commenting again. Now if we could just get him to write a post now and then the world would be right again!

  • Loudoun's Soul says:

    Russ Potts warned us — something to the effect of further to the right than Attila the Hun, as I recall.

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