A minute of national politics…

By Too Conservative

Have spent the past 14 months working for Ted Cruz here in Texas.

We have our runoff election tonight.

Wish us luck!


  • NateDogg614 says:

    Good luck! πŸ™‚

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Lots of hard work, trying to build a successful campaign.

    Of course, if you listen to the president, you might be struck to realize that you didn’t build that….somebody else made that happen!

    Should Cruz win this evening — and signs seem to indicate that he will — it will continue to illustrate how the reports of the demise of the Tea Party are greatly exaggerated.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “Of course, if you listen to the president, you might be struck to realize that you didn’t build that….somebody else made that happen!”

    Did you listen to the guy’s speech or are you just a dim bulb?

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Yep, I listed to it. In its entirety. And I found it to be insulting. I accept the premise that no man is an island, but while I had some great teachers over the years, I’m the one who knuckled down and studied for the test, wrote the term papers, and passed the damn class.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Who graded your papers?

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Who collected the information and wrote the paper in the first place?

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Where did you get the information?

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Look. You can be a mocking bird and repeat Romney’s distortions… I mean he didn’t (and you didn’t) think of it yourself!

    You had help coming up with that.

    The sad thing is this: Romney doesn’t even believe what he’s saying.

  • Elder Berry says:

    If Cruz wins, did he make it happen all by himself????

    Get real.

  • Elder Berry says:

    In other words, Romney is a crude, shallow manipulator who does not give one sh*t about most of America, who has always ridden on daddy’s money and daddy’s reputation and who will say or do anything to get elected.

    We already had one Republican president like that, thank you and one is enough. Neither of these men is anything like Ronald Reagan.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    eb, you can’t be serious: “who graded the test?” Really?

    That is right in line with what was yes, actually said in the speech.

    He shouldn’t do ex temp–he always gets himself in trouble.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    If we’re talking national politics …

    “Where did the Obama stimulus money go?”

    If I hear this commercial one more time I just may shoot my TV.

  • G.stone says:

    Go Ted Cruz

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “He shouldn’t do ex temp–he always gets himself in trouble.”

    This is funny after what his opponent did overseas this week.

    Oh and I’m quite serious about verification that someone actually learned something (grading tests). Without that incentive (grades, diplomas, etc), I’m unsure if Nate would have done all that really, really hard stuff.

  • John Marsh says:

    What’s most hilarious is that Obama’s speech reiterated what Romney himself said a few years back — about how folks depended on teachers, parents, road and bridge builders and so forth. Same stuff as Obama made crystal clear when he summarized his point. The bit that Nate (and Fox) nicely tuned out. John Stewart recorded it all, without edits!

    What we see here is that folks hear what they like and tune out what they don’t. And that does seem to be a particular problem with those drinking the “Tea. ” But there’s no convincing. Facts don’t count.

  • JTHmishmash says:

    Congrats to y’all in Texas this evening! Good win!

  • NoMoreSecrets says:

    If our choices really are a black socilist and a white, arrogant twit — I’ll take the black sociolist any day! At least Obama understands Diplomacy. Any chance we will see an upset at the convention? Perhaps Ron Paul will walk away with the nomination after all! If so, I hope we can see him on an overseas trip before election day!

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Vincent continues to do great work while his local cretinous critics continue to do nothing of consequence.

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Congratulations to Ted Cruz!

    As I said, I understand and accept the premise that no man is an island. But I am also of the opintion that individual initiative and creativity will forever trump the collective groupthink. Obama just allowed the mask to slip a little bit and he said what he really thinks (in so many words — we’re all in this together, no one REALLY makes it on their own, so we should all pay more taxes to the government for the common good).

  • edmundburkenator says:

    e pluribus unum

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    “But I am also of the opintion that individual initiative and creativity will forever trump the collective groupthink.”

    What “collective groupthink”!!?? Good lord you guys are wacked!! We are ALL AMericans and, yes, we owe each other for OUR successes. My father put his life on the line and fought hard for this country – you could not have done ANYTHING that remotely resembles your current life if he hadn’t. He made Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital as much as Mitt did. In return, he (through his own hard work) earned his degrees paid for BY AMERICAN TAXPAYERS via the GI bill and went on to fight the Cold War for you all at Aberdeen for 30 years (a lowly civil servant supposedly sucking on the public teat – God we were RICH – that’s sarcasm, dolt). My mother is not a burden on YOUR society TODAY because of a very generous PUBLIC SECTOR RETIREMENT paid for by TAXPAYERS. I doubt very seriously that I would be where I am today (nor would you) if it weren’t for the PUBLIC investment made (and made smartly ) ALONG WITH the millions of inidividual contributions made BY WAY OF of that public investement.

    Stop dicking wround with the chicken/egg argument – America is a PUBLIC/PRIVATE partnership and that is all Obama said – any idiot can see that and based on the polls I see the public KNOWS this to be true.

    There is no more “collective groupthink” behind some supposed mask anymore than there is still a threat from the Soviet Union (psssttt….might want to tell Romney, btw…)

  • Leej says:

    this is no surprise, Texas is half extremely religious nothing wrong with that sort of πŸ˜‰ We have so called places of worship as big as some professional stadiums. the other half is more like me work hard play hard. The problem is not so much religion it is that half works too hard at trying to get us to believe as they do πŸ˜‰ We have some of the strictest laws in the country about selling alcohol. Mainly because of the extreme religious right working hard to believe as they do. It gets so crazy that people have bought entire towns in dry areas and make them wet and then make a fortune off selling alcohol. So in reality the real religious fanatics end up causing some very interesting situations that actually backfires on them. This Joel person who took over the summit where the Houston rockets played for his preaching. Has gotten too big for his britches We will see but the rumors are he is going to be caught in a scandal of bibical proportions. We will just have to get the popcorn out and wait and see. πŸ˜‰

    I am a independent that leans republican but I don’t like fanatics on either side although extreme republicans more often then not talk one thing about smaller government then go about taking away human rights and peoples personal decisions like abortion and how to live. Yes the tea party says you can live the way you want to as long as it is their way. πŸ˜‰

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Eric, seems to me that I touched a nerve there.

    “Yes the tea party says you can live the way you want to as long as it is their way.”

    Funny Leej, because that seems to be how liberals act ALL THE TIME! “We respect that you have an opinion, just so long as it’s the one that we agree with.” Unless you tow the PC line, you can expect to be shunned by the “tolerant left.”

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    “Eric, seems to me that I touched a nerve there.”

    When you attack my country, Nate, yep, you touched a nerve.

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Our country, Eric. Our country. And no, I did not attack it.

  • NateDogg614 says:

    Seriously, I said nothing that could be construed as attacking the country. I recognize that we all need to pay income taxes (save the 47% of people who currently don’t) and the top 1% are inevitably going to cover about 40% of the total income taxes collected. However, there is a legitimate question as to HOW MUCH in taxes we should pay to the Government. Perhaps if the Feds were a little more fiscally responsible and weren’t spending out of control, people might not be as wary of it. As I said (for the 3rd time now) no man is an island. However, Obama (in my opinion) places more weight on the importance of roads and bridges (read infrastructure that taxes pay for that ALL PEOPLE USE regardless of success or failure) than on the importance of people using their God-given talents, as well as the tools and skill sets that they have learned from others in order to achieve something, both for themselves and for others. I truly believe that God has blessed us all with individual talents and the ability to be unique. Obama (again in my opinion) comes off as insulting that idea when he says that “there’s a lot of smart people out there.” Yes, this is true, but they are all individuals. As I said, what he seems to be doing (and if you disagree with me, that’s fine) is attempting to shift the conversation towards a “groupthink” idea, that individuals matter less than what groups of people can achieve. I think that is what left so many people — myself included — rather insulted and many small business owners were left feeling dejected (not to mention the fact that the economy is still struggling).

    So, if there’s an attack against the country in there, well you’ll have to elaborate on that.

  • Leej says:

    I say when it comes to Taxes “””””Romney””””””” if you don’t put your tax returns out during your time especially at Bain the Chicago machine is going to bury you in the fall that you will never see the light of day. πŸ˜‰ He is going to have to deal with being a Mormon and how he can separate church from state. And Romney is no Mormon John F Kennedy. Kennedy was a horrible catholic. πŸ˜‰

    I have two wonderful brothers that became Mormon and nothing against Mormons or should I say the chosen ones as the Mormons feel πŸ˜‰ Don’t take offense here as I am a true mens liber I trash everyone equally. πŸ˜‰ And that statement is not mine it came from a close friend in Los Angeles who is a serious womens lib lawyer with a fabulous sense of humor. πŸ˜‰ But you don’t want to on the opposite side of her in court. Her humor disappears real quick then.

    Personally I don’t like Obama or Romney. and I will add a strong defense in this country is not throwing money at it and see what sticks as Romney and the tea party believes. I believe we can cut the defense budget tremendously and have even a better defense. We are developing jets and ships and weapons that don’t work well if at all at a tremendous cost to us taxpayers that makes a few richer and richer. And basically killing the people testing this technology. We fought two stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. To basically get the leader of terrorism. And our phenomenal seal team did it in a matter of hours or days. How many fine young men and women lost their lives because the generals and top leaders play games with our young military lives. It is a joke, especially these days. I say actually a government professor said in college if you want to stop wars have our leaders president on down physically fight the other countries leaders one on one. War would not be a option anymore πŸ˜‰ Take the money and religion out of war and there would be no wars also. And in this time in the universe we are supposed to be a advanced people on this planet we are no better then in the cave man days. We have not advanced as a people one iota πŸ˜‰ Just created more advanced ways of killing not respecting others

  • NateDogg614 says:

    “I say when it comes to Taxes β€œβ€”””Romney””””””” if you don’t put your tax returns out during your time especially at Bain the Chicago machine is going to bury you in the fall that you will never see the light of day.”

    I’ll only say a couple of things: 1) Romney released 2 years of tax returns, 2) Most Americans really don’t care about Bain Capital, 3) In my opinion, the Chicago machine is what is wrong with politics.

    “To basically get the leader of terrorism. And our phenomenal seal team did it in a matter of hours or days.”

    And God Bless them for it! πŸ™‚

  • Leej says:

    Nate you are correct americans don’t care about bain they care about what Romneys hiding. And most of my friends are republicans and believe me they want to see Romneys returns and believe this is one issue Obama can win the presidency again. You will see this after the conventions. Personally I believe the Chicago machine knows what is in Romney’s tax returns and know it is incredibly damaging to Romney and don’t be surprised if Romney’s tax returns are leaked out to the4 public a month before the election if Romney does not release them and try to do damage control. The longer he waits the worse it will get for him as he is being known as mitt the nitwit

    And I am no fan of Obama either.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “Romney released 2 years of tax returns.”

    Romney’s own father would laugh at this state of affairs. Whatever is in those returns must be pretty bad.

  • NateDogg614 says:


    From my point of view, it’s sad that there is even a remote possibility that Obama could win re-election over Romney’s tax returns. Not since Carter have we had a president who deserves re-election LESS than Obama.

    Edmund, can you tell me why Obama sealed his own records right after he became president? By your own logic, there must be something pretty bad in those too. Betcha we’re never going to see them, though.

  • Leej says:

    Nate diverting the attention to Obama does not work. We know more about Obama then we know about ourselves. Romney is the one hiding. Like Rupert Murdoch who as you all know fox news and the WSJ as well many other things said a month or so ago if Romney does not release his tax returns and and does not talk about in detail how he is going to fix the economy instead of defending his self from Obama attacks he is going ti lose to the Chicago machine and lose badly. Now this is coming from the Guy that owns the republican news station called fox πŸ˜‰

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “Sealed records.”


    Perhaps you should rekindle a little of that old academic curiosity and study ethic Nate. Come out of your echo chamber…

  • BlackOut says:

    I think it would be no surprise to see what is in Romney’s tax returns.

    He made a zillion dollars and probably used every loop hole imaginable to not pay a dime in taxes.

    Nothing illegal but certainly not flattering. Zero taxes over the twelve years ain’t going to play well in Peoria. He has nothing to lose, but taking the heat, for not releasing his returns.

    But we’ll have to wait and see. Romney has a strong tendency to say one thing and do something else. Or more accurately do one thing and then say something else.

  • Leej says:

    Since everyone has their crystal balls on this election me included πŸ™‚

    Here is another observation that the serious religious people will call the devils work πŸ˜‰


  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    Nate, by comparing the private/public partnership that is OUR country to anything remotely resembling a “groupthink collective” IS indeed an attack. Obama was right in his characterization. For example, how many technology corporations would exist in the US today were it NOT for our taxpayer funded public school system? What about taxpayer funding of public universties and student tuition assistance?

    It IS a bit more than “no man is an island” and if your candidate is AGAINST this role for government THAT is telling indeed. Of course, I would not be surprised as these programs overwhelmingly elevate the lower and middle econmic classes in the US – a group that Romney finds difficult to understand given his background/upbringing.

  • Leej says:

    Who paid for Romney’s education ????????

    We know how Obama got his education paid for. πŸ˜‰

    And do we want a president that will say anything to get elected and is a serious hider.

    Yep it is time for Ralph Nader to be president πŸ˜‰

  • NateDogg614 says:

    “For example, how many technology corporations would exist in the US today were it NOT for our taxpayer funded public school system? What about taxpayer funding of public universties and student tuition assistance?”

    And who pays a majority of the taxes? Not to answer your question with another question, but it seems to me that its individuals in this country who pay taxes, and the top 50% of wage earners pay close to all of the taxes.

    I think that Romney would agree that there’s an important role for Government to play so long as its limited in scope and not expansive. The primary difference is that Romney wants to see more individual creativity and give people and opportunity to thrive and maximize their potentials. This, in my view, is something that Obama knows little about, as he’s a product of the “you didn’t make it on your own….you didn’t build that…someone else made it happen” crowd. It pretty much sums up his entire career, as far as I’m concerned.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Nate, do you feel shackled and unable to exert your “creativity”?

  • Elder Berry says:

    “Collective groupthink” oh for pity sake go to the max extreme for your strawman or what.

    Way back when, the Puritans in New England set up “commons” for community grazing of cattle. Their communities got together to hire teachers to educate their children because they knew it was good for THE COMMUNITY.



    Obama is nowhere nohow a socialist, he’s through and through a capitalist, he’s just one who comes from the middle class not the 1%.

    Romney doesn’t want to see individual creativity, he wants to see feudalism come back. Romney and his ilk have more in common with the new Russian oligarchs or the guys behind our own Teapot Dome scandal than anything else. Trickle down has been debunked everywhere but in Mitt’s brain.

  • Leej says:

    Nate you are delusional the entire DC area economy relies on the government down to the hot dog a government employee buys on the street . And really pays for all this the average american taxpayer that does not even come close to the pay of the average government worker and add benefits you are all living in LA LA land compared to the average american tax payer. Pay congress and the government employee the average salary the average tax payer. Every time the dc area brags about they are the highest paid people in the USA it outrages the struggling tax payer. Loudoun and the surrounding counties need to keep their mouths shut about how they are the richest counties in the nation. It is going to backfire. Many people say outside DC the people in DC feel they are the entitled people. πŸ˜‰

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    “The primary difference is that Romney wants to see more individual creativity and give people and opportunity to thrive and maximize their potentials.”

    Nate, Sorry but it is pretty clear that Romney wants this no more or less than Obama. There is no basis for you contending that Obama is somehow anti-individual creativity or opportunity.

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    “And who pays a majority of the taxes?”

    Maybe a better question should be who pay more of their income to taxes? Certainly not Romney and his cohorts.

  • Leej says:

    Too Conservative I will say I hope Cruz walks his talk and cuts government spending. Tea party or not I do like what he says on major issues. we will see. πŸ˜‰

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