No Pancakes for You: 2012 Election Reflections

By Lloyd the Idiot

A few random thoughts on the elections as they came to mind.  Any one of these has been, could be or will be a post of its own.

*Novatownhall is officially batshit crazy.  Talk about the neighborhood going to hell.  Ever since Joe B left, there’s been a steady descent into partisan insanity capped off with what  I read this morning for the first time about Angry Pancake Man, and suggesting that Black Out, because he was wearing the button of the opposing party, basically invited, if not deserved, the abuse.  Crazy.  Imagine if that had happened to someone wearing a Romney pin.  Do you think their reaction would have been the same?  Of course not – disingenuous jerks.  Making all Republicans look bad.

*TC bestows its honorary Master of the Obvious degree on Matt “Brick” Letourneau for his Facebook comment: “It’s time for our party to truly begin outreach to ethnic groups that today voted for President Obama but who I believe fundamentally share our values.”  Yathink.  Problem is, at least in Loudoun County, the “outreach” expects those voters to yield to the Republican hardline instead of the other way around.  As long as you have LCRC meetings that put Baptist tent revivals to shame, don’t count on getting the growing Hindu and Buddhist votes – not to mention those who just aren’t that religious.

*Romney was a good candidate and ran as a good campaign as he could have.  The broader problem is the appeal of the party.  If you want to reach minorities or women, don’t do stuff that pisses them off – like vaginal probes and stupid remarks about rape.  That crap has consequences for all candidates throughout the nation.

*Brick redeems himself with another post:  “The lesson here…polls are right.  Believe the data.”  Gotta say, the pollsters got this stuff right.  Amazingly right.

*Tea Party whack jobs have now cost Republicans five US Senate seats.

*Can’t wait to see what Obama and Putin have in store for us now that Obama has greater “flexibility.”

*Obama did surprisingly well in Loudoun.  Although his numbers dropped, he still managed to carry most of the precincts.  Surprised that I owe only one beer given my generous bet.  Seems like the Dems are as surprised as I.

*Thank goodness, the Republicans kept control of the House.  Avoids a return to the extremism that was 2009-2011.  We very well could get sequestration now, contrary to Obama’s promise that it simply wouldn’t happen.  Four more years simply means more of the same that we’ve had for the last two. Gridlock.

*After all the contact Republicans received from the Romney campaign, I’m surprised there wasn’t a “thanks for the effort” email or something like that last night or today.  Nothing.  Bad form.

*Right after we figured Obama had won, the War Department and I decided to permanently table a kitchen remodel because our taxes would be going up.  Direct cause and effect between Obama policies and the hit small businesses take.

*Forget ever getting rid of Obamacare or the Dodd-Frank Act.  By the time Republicans can do anything about them, they’ll be too entrenched.


Comments

  • Leej says:

    I agree Lloyd this election came down to women who don’t want to be told what to do. I know I am married to this sweet little pretty thing and she well don’t tell her how to think.

    the part not talked about is Romney’s cult oops I mean religion and i am just joking don’t take me serious. and having two mormon brothers and they would not admit this but I started to feel they felt they were entitled to have a mormon president.

    i really believe and it is not talked about is religion and women played a huge reason why Romney lost. and Romney also had this attitude he was better than everyone else.

    i believe religion secretly voted against Romney although no one will admit to that.

    haveconservatives finally got too conservative to be a viable party anymore

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    All great points, impossible to argue with.

    Glad to see Brick taking hold!

  • Loudoun Moron says:

    Excellent post, though I believe Romney could have run a better campaign.

  • TCJohnson says:

    I agree. The problem with Romney is that he kept contradicting himself. I might have voted for the Romney that was in the debates. But things he was saying in the debates completely contradicted the things he was saying in the primaries. He was assuming people notice but, guess what, we did.

    In addition his tax plan just would not work. He kept pointing to a report saying that it would work, but that report said it would only work if he did things he said he would never do.

  • BlackOut says:

    Lloyd, tons of wisdom in your quick thoughts. This one over-arching all of them:

    “Problem is, at least in Loudoun County, the “outreach” expects those voters to yield to the Republican hardline instead of the other way around. ”

    An overused concept but the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

  • BlackOut says:

    I will add my biggest disappointment last night and during the campaigns.

    Grover Norquest should have been on the ballot. Unfortunately he wasn’t and he can now crawl out from under his rock and keep promoting the Washington gridlock of good ideas and workable solutions. Oh how I wish he could have been thumped. He and his pledge are a nightmare for this country.

  • Joe Budzinski says:

    Good reflections, Lloyd. I don’t agree with all, but with most.

    RE: NVTH, I think what people do in their spare time shouldn’t be evaluated too harshly. It’s a community of people saying what they think. At least they are willing to put their ideas out there, allowing others to respond.

    Though it certainly did cost some Senate seats, the Tea Party constituents are not, by and large, whack jobs. It’s a non-cohesive movement, first of all, and second it has arisen during a time of historic party change.

    The GOP does not yet understand what must happen to the GOP.

    As recently as the past few months you could still hear “Ronald Reagan” far too often at Republican gatherings. The Tea Party may well be only the precursor to much deeper organizational changes, but it has been necessary.

  • Leej says:

    i don’t know if this means anything.

    but does anyone noticed fox news dresses up their woman as barbie dolls

    and cnn the woman also pretty but look normal. ;-) not over dolled up

  • Meant to include this on my original list, which I have now updated:

    *Right after we figured Obama had won, the War Department and I decided to permanently table a kitchen remodel because our taxes would be going up. Direct cause and effect between Obama policies and the hit small businesses take.

  • David Dickinson says:

    First, congratulations to the Democrats on their presidential victory.

    This will be an interesting one to analyze. I don’t think there is any one aspect of this election that a finger can be pointed to as a reason for winning/losing. Both sides did some things well and some things poorly. But, in the end, the summation of the things Democrats did was better than the Republicans.

    But I would like to point out one data point for all the “sky is falling” Republicans. In ’08, Obama got 69M votes and this time got 59M votes. An almost 15% drop. Republicans dropped from 59M to 56M, a 5% drop. By a 3 to 1 ratio, more people left the Democratic ticket.

    I’m inclined to believe Leej’s point, that much of the Republican drop was evangelicals that wouldn’t vote for a mormon. But I’m curious to see who the 10M people were that didn’t turn out for Obama this time around are? They obviously could be a future target of for potential Republican votes.

    Who are those 13M people that didn’t vote this time around?

  • Joe Budzinski says:

    Yes, Lloyd. That is the tip of the iceberg right there. For the person who owns the interior construction company, a similar and parallel strategic reappraisal will be taking place.

    And by the way, congrats for doing a morning after post on the front page.

  • LoudouninNC says:

    Lloyd,
    Immediately after the election, I began looking at replacing my roof again, as I would not have to worry about losing my job (affordable housing tax credits). It is an industry that best represents government stimulating private investment and creates significant job opportunities around developments that could not exist without that program.

    Direct cause and effect between Romney’s proposed tax reform policies and the hit small businesses take.

  • Joe,

    As to NVTH, look to what they say. They’re saying, effectively, the bitch had it coming for wearing a button. Chrissakes. That IS nutball. They reject whole notion of a civil disagreement – which is particularly odd/appalling for a blog. (BTW, not calling you a bitch, BO)

    Second, I agree with you on the “wacko” term of Tea Partiers. Some are normal, and, frankly, I agree with much of what the loosely-defined movement seems to stand for. I will, however, stand by my comment that they have cost us 5 easy wins in the US Senate. And in each case, it was classic party purity over electability.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “Direct cause and effect between Obama policies and the hit small businesses take.”

    Unless you are somewhere over the 250K income mark Lloyd, I didn’t see much in the way of policy that would raise your taxes immediately. You may have to pony up some money eventually to pay for wars, drug benefits and the like.

    How about elaborating?

    Or do you just want me to believe you based on your recent track record of knowledge?

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “RE: NVTH, I think what people do in their spare time shouldn’t be evaluated too harshly.”

    Right. Being weird is cool — when you do it in your spare time.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    The 1% will be hurting huge, and we’re all doomed to socialist hell!

    Start practicing your Black Panther salutes.

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    LI, you’ve been granted special dispensation by us, so you’re in good shape. Just check in at your local islamic-communist-kill-whitey office, and after you convert to gayness and pay for three (3) catholic women to get abortions, we’ll swear you in as one of our familiars.

    You’ll get a t-shirt and a coffee mug, and a copy of “Das Kapital” to study. Meetings are scheduled every third Monday of the month and rotate between various swinger clubs and illegal pot farms in the greater NoVA area.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    The Black Panthers are setting up all over Ashburn… they are holding doors open for old people.

  • Cato the Elder says:

    “various swinger clubs and illegal pot farms”

    Yo, if you throw in repeal of the whole indefinite detention thing count me in.

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    What if it’s an indefinite detention at a swinger club or illegal pot farm? You’ll need to do some mopping at the former, and some weeding at the latter. Gloves provided by the overlords in either case.

  • Hillsboro says:

    “various swinger clubs and illegal pot farms”

    and we’ll all take a toke from our spirit pots and chant the Larry Roeder theme song!

  • Glen Caroline says:

    No doubt, yesterday we got beat. It is now time to evaluate why we got beat and adapt, adjust, and overcome. The paradigm of the past that we all hope would continue is gone. It is a new day and age. Victory in future elections must factor in an incontrovertible fact–the math to accomplish victory has changed. What we must prove to more Americans outside our traditional base is why our policies are better for them than our opponents, and find the messenger who can best deliver that message. Our policies are still the best for all Americans and we must press our case far and wide and convince voting Americans of that fact. It will not be easy, but it must be done. Sea changes don’t happen overnight, nor does rolling back those sea changes. It is a new day in America, whether we like it or not. Now the question becomes how do we adapt and adjust to deliver principled victories? I like to win, and now we must find a formula to do so.

  • Dan says:

    An official pronouncement has been made as to what the Republican Party must do going forward. I tuned in to the intellectual leader of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh, (even though that is sort of like driving an ice pick in your ear) in order to get the scoop. El Rushbo was informing his dildoheads that the Republican Party to date has NEVER run a REAL conservative for president. And that is the problem according to Rush. Apparently if the Republicans will just lurch even farther to the right (can they do that without goosestepping?) then the American people will embrace them.

    I must admit that I was mistaken when I declared Ravi Oli to be the biggest winner of last night’s election. Clearly the biggest winner was Rush Limbaugh. If Romney had won it would have been terrible for Rush’s business. Obama’s re-election is, I am certain, what Rush was hoping for.

    Four more years of making up wild, crazy stuff and feeding it to the loyal dildoheads. Inflame their paranoia and sell them gold coins and non-hybrid seeds. And Rush rakes in the dough from the suckers.

    You have your orders, Republicans. Continue the purges. Primary anyone who expresses a rational thought. Hunt down the RINOs. Move to the right.

    What could go wrong?

  • BlackOut says:

    Glen since you are cross posting with novatown hall I’ll do the same, as a more diverse dialog can occur here. This was my response:

    ” What we must prove to more Americans outside our traditional base is why our policies are better for them than our opponents…”

    Glen, with due respect, this is a fundamental flaw. The GOP needs to evaluate their policies and listen to those outside their base to what is of importance. Some need to be jettisoned or diminished, and some need to be added. Other than that do you really think just shouting louder or with a difference nuance is going to attract more to the party? I think not. The flaw is in the narrowly defined policies, not with how widely those policies are delivered.

  • BlackOut says:

    Let me also say, at this point I am getting concerned that the GOP is contemplating a move further to the right and a move towards complete irrelevance. That is not good for our two party system. And provides to much leverage, power and influence to the Democrats.

  • Leej says:

    if the repubs move further to the right then on dec 12 2012 the world will come to a end ;-)

    i can’t imagine how much further they can move right and that would put them out of existence.

    looking into the future the repubs have a star named Rubio. I like him so far, we will see if he does not fall apart.

  • Leej says:

    now we have the crying tan man talking on tv “”"Boehner”"

    he is not saying anything that shows politics will change

  • Glen Caroline says:

    Blackout-your terminology is case in point why you miss the point. I don’t think shouting louder is at all the answer. What I do think is that the core GOP principles of fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, encouraging small business, strong national defense, job creation, social responsibility and so on resonate with a wider cross section of the electorate, but they need the proper strategy and messenger (who won’t shout) to explain in terms that will resonate with them. That said, we also can’t abandon our socially conservative principles, e.g., gun rights, right to life, etc. Sometimes those issues ARE the core issues in an election, but this election wasn’t about those issues; it was primarily about fundamental economic issues and job growth. While social conservatives (and I am one) don’t always have to run “on” those issues, when questioned, we shouldn’t run “from” those issues. I don’t think most would have considered Mitt Romney your prototypical “right/social conservative.” Bob McDonnell ran arguably one of the best campaigns on this front. He was good on social issues from a conservative’s perspective, but centered his campaign on what the electorate was concerned about and did not get distracted. And, lest you forget, he WON a statewide race in VA! As you probably know, I RARELY post in these forums, and probably won’t do so much longer, b/c many of the people that need to really hear our message so we can expand our base and win, don’t swim in these pools. Our path to victory will not be derived from w/in these local GOP-leaning blogs, where anonymity and insult often reigns (and I’m not suggesting your post was insulting), but from getting out and actually talking to and engaging more voters and pressing our case for a better America.

  • BlackOut says:

    In other words, no change. Got it.

    McDonnell did run with relative silence on social issues and then he gave us ultrasounds. If you don’t see that as a problem it will persist.

  • Sane Person says:

    First, that was a pretty un-idiotic post by Lloyd. Except for the not buying the table thing.
    The views of social conservatives on guns, abortion, gay marriage, etc. are minority views in this country now. Your minority has done a good job of keeping them alive and in front of Americans. But they are electoral losers in our increasingly heathen land.
    Glen correctly points out that Gov. McDonnell downplayed them while running, and won. That’s harder to do at the presidential level.

  • David Dickinson says:

    Did Obama win by reaching out to independents and conservatives?

    No. He turned to his base.

    I’m not saying Republicans don’t need to change anything, but there is irony in liberals telling conservatives that they need to move more to the middle when the Democrats won by swinging hard to the left.

    If this election showed anything, it was the irrelevance of the Independent.

  • “Except for the not buying the table thing.”

    Actually, that is the most accurate and opinionless point in the whole post. We figured out how much our taxes would go up when the tax cuts expire, and concluded we couldn’t afford the remodeling. As such, the folks who were going to do it, including a neighborhood granite company, get nothing. That simple.

  • I’m going to add two more things:

    Obamacare and Dodd-Frank will not go away because they will be too entrenched by the time the Republicans can do anything

    and

    4 more years means the same thing we had in the last two. Gridlock.

  • Hillsboro says:

    I’ve got to disagree with your interpretation, DD

    He didn’t win because he turned to his base… he won because he didn’t alienate (too many) independents and moderates.

    The independents are not irrelevant at all… they delivered the victory to Obama.

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    So Lloyd, you have over $250,000 a year in taxable income, but won’t buy a kitchen remodel because you will most likely being paying a few cents per dollar more in taxes on the dollars above that $250,000 line?

    Or, you really don’t have over $250,000 a year in taxable income, and are doing a “Joe the Plumber” whine about how bad it would be if you ever did make a lot more money than you currently make.

    So, are you a poser who’s bad a math, or a rich guy who doesn’t think he’s rich?

  • BlackOut says:

    As a note the $250,000 threshold is net not gross.

  • David says:

    “You’ll get a t-shirt and a coffee mug”

    Used to be a toaster oven, but with the apocalypse nigh we’ve had to downgrade.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “I must admit that I was mistaken when I declared Ravi Oli to be the biggest winner of last night’s election. Clearly the biggest winner was Rush Limbaugh.”

    Give this man a cigar.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Rush might have to go back on the pills!

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    LI, the Viagra he uses on his Dominican brothel runs, or the illegal painkillers?

  • Tom Conway says:

    Sam sex marriage and legalized pot wins point to a strong libertarian streak across demographics. Republicans need to embrace this and extend it to $ – it’s your money, your business and your life. No one else especially the Govt has the right to meddle in any of that.

  • LoudounHounds says:

    Its interesting that the fear begins immediately again after Obamas win. I cant build my kitchen:
    check out this article about business owners going Galt and shutting down their businesses bc Obama won:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/the-election-night-thoughts-of-the-atlas-shrugged-guy/264852/

    I bet it will be a month tops that the Bush Tax cuts expire before they get a deal. Just because they expire of Jan. 1 doesnt mean they cant put them back on Jan. 30. After 4 years, Obama will get his tax hikes on income over 250k.

    The Obama tax cuts will go into effect early in 2013.

    The other lesson of this election is FOX News is doing a massive disservice to the GOP. Feeding them what they want to hear while not expanding the party.

    Karl Rove is also the worst stratitician of this generation. Supreme Court got Bush the first victory, gay marriage scare tactics got him the second and Rove didnt see the 2006 lashing coming. And now hundreds of millions of dollars from rich white people have gone to waste bc of Karl Rove.

    First thing to do for the GOP – DUMP THE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES. A christian southern party will only remain that, a christian southern party.

  • Loudoun Moron says:

    Is the increased taxes due to the Bush tax cuts expiring or because the Alternative Minimum Tax exemption amount is right now set to 45K instead of the 70K+ it was the past few years?

    The AMT as currently written has the potential to kick a large number of Loudoun taxpayers squarely in the balls.

  • LoudounHounds says:

    The best part is those 12 million jobs that Romney promised using Obama policy numbers are coming!!!

    The future of the GOP should be Huntsman, Christie, Sandoval.

    Christie/Sandoval (pro-choice hispanic governor of NV) would be a formidable opponent.

    Also, dont expect another white/white Democrat ticket again.

    My prediction is either Hilary or Cuomo with Deval Patrick as Vice President.

    If Paul Ryan, Jindal, Santorum, or other Christian crusader is at the top, enjoy the next 8 years of Democratic dominance.

  • FedUp says:

    “*Tea Party whack jobs have now cost Republicans five US Senate seats.”

    This has been really frustrating. The GOP had a good chance to take control of the senate this year, but now they only have 45 seats. This the worst outcome of the election.

    “Romney was a good candidate and ran as a good campaign as he could have.”

    I think he made a lot of mistakes. The “47%” video really hurt him.

  • LoudounHounds says:

    “Romney was a good candidate and ran as a good campaign as he could have.”

    He did not run a good campaign. Before the first debate he was FLAILING.

    -An awful convention.
    -47% remark.
    -The Benghazi debacle giving his statement while people were dying (reports came out today even said he made a mistake there).
    -His campaign today says they should have focused more on benghazi and Obamacare – both losing issues for him even if they had run with that.
    -NOT releasing his tax returns a year ago (people would have forgotten
    -Paul Ryan adding nothing but street cred to the tea party
    -Not fighting in Minnesota where he did better than he did in PA and Ohio
    -Obama ran MORE ads even though Romney had more money bc Obama planned the ads months in advance for cheaper prices
    -Employing Necon advisors like John Bolton and Dan Senor (reminds all of Bush)

    This was a bad campaign helped by ONE debate performance.

    A poor ground game too. The anticiapted Obama hatred was all the ground game they needed.

  • RichmondDem says:

    If the GOP doesn’t jettison the nativists in their ranks–and quick–it’s going to have a lot of nights like this in the future.

    David Frum pointed out today that the Conservative Party of Canada wins East Asians, South Asians, and Arabs by huge margins. The GOP would likely be doing the same had they not spent the last six years coddling the BVBL/Lou Dobbs Know-Nothings. Think about the implications for NoVA there. Win the various Asian groups by the margins your counterparts in Canada did and Romney narrowly carries the state.

    The United States is not Japan. It is not Sweden. Nativism here will always be a long-term poison for a political party, period.

  • Hop says:

    Posted this in another section, but re-posting here since it fits better. Just read Leej’s post about women. See my final surprise below. I think that ended up being huge:

    “When guys you read/listen to and respect (Barone, Will, Rove, etc) get it so very wrong like this, what do you think about it? ”

    I think each of them really believed what they were spewing. It seemed to make sense. With all the failures in Obama’s first time, I thought there could be no way dems would come out in the same numbers.

    What blew me away the most was the fact that Republicans came out in FEWER numbers than 2008…

    Oh well, back to the drawing board. FWIW, I am not republican. Mostly identify with fiscally conservative part.

    One final surprise – I did volunteer at the polls handing out sample ballots, and the number of angry women (simply based on the looks I got when I asked if they wanted a sample republican ballot :) ) that were out with a vengeance. That whole war on women resonated more than I would have expected.

    I’ll get over this loss eventually. I really do hope they all finally work together for the good of all of us!

  • Hop says:

    *Right after we figured Obama had won, the War Department and I decided to permanently table a kitchen remodel because our taxes would be going up. Direct cause and effect between Obama policies and the hit small businesses take.

    Funny, right after I knew Obama won, I told my wife we would be waiting a little longer to buy a house. I Want to see the results of the taxes and kick in of Obamacare. And I also think he’d be more apt to keep interest rates low longer than Romney since his recovery will be much more “controlled” (ie, slower) ;)

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