FCC calls FAA Dumb

By Liberal Anthropologist

Well not exactly. But as someone who flies every week, I am glad to see the FCC chairman speaking out about how dumb the electronics rules on flights are. If an E-Ink kindle represents a danger to a flight then they should ground all the planes.

It just shows you – yet again – how dumb government regulation is in general. The rituals we go through in travel are a huge waste of time and productivity. The TSA is a mess. Even with Pre-Check, which I use, it is a waste. I go to a TSA line and see multiple workers watching each other and chatting and basically doing nothing while only 2 people are actually doing anything.

The pre-flight ritual is a joke on the plane as well. A speech that nobody listens to or would remember anyway, is followed by asking the exit row people if they will be good people in an emergency. Of course, they all say yes.

And then (although this is not Govt) the pilot gets on and tells me the weather in whatever city I am going to (as if that would change anything) and some of them waste my time telling me the route they will follow and other minute and meaningless details while I am trying to work or finish a call with a colleague.

I like the few stewardesses and pilots who throw in some jokes into the rituals. To those of us who fly regularly, it is welcome relief.

It is well past time to end the stupid electronics rules on aircraft. Can we libertarians at least be given that?


Comments

  • Ravi Oli says:

    Mr. Liberal, Ravi must respectfully disagree with many of the assertions you have made in your post and must also challenge your contentions through the following point-by-point analysis:

    Mr. Liberal’s point: “If an E-Ink kindle represents a danger to a flight then they should ground all the planes.”

    Mr. Ravi’s counterpoint: As has long been held in the place where Ravi is from, “People are idiots.” The Kindle is not a danger in of itself, but the passenger who is engrossed in reading, or listening to music, or talking on the phone will not be paying attention, particularly during takeoff and landing, which are the two most dangerous segments of the flight. If something goes wrong, Ravi does not want the flight crew having to tell Mr. Bozo in Seat 3A to power-down. The other problem that Ravi sees is the % of self-important….how do you say……Assholes! on flights who can’t follow the rules.

    Mr. Liberal’s point: “The TSA is a mess. Even with Pre-Check, which I use, it is a waste. I go to a TSA line and see multiple workers watching each other and chatting and basically doing nothing while only 2 people are actually doing anything.”

    Mr. Ravi’s counterpoint: As they say where Ravi is from, “It’s a thankless job, but someone’s got to do it.” The TSA is an imperfect means of dealing with transportation security in an imperfect world. If we were to watch you perform your job each day – every day, Mr. Liberal, Ravi is sure that your productivity could be enhanced.

    Mr. Liberal’s point: “The pre-flight ritual is a joke on the plane as well. A speech that nobody listens to or would remember anyway, is followed by asking the exit row people if they will be good people in an emergency. Of course, they all say yes.”

    Mr. Ravi’s counterpoint: Ravi pays extremely close attention to the pre-flight ritual and holds up score-cards up to rate the performance of the flight crew in the areas of: Seat-Belt Buckling, Oxygen-Mask Wearing, and Emergency Exit Gesturing. This ritual is as American as Apple Pie. Ravi curses you for wanting to eliminate it.

    As for “asking the exit row people if they will be good people in an emergency. Of course, they all say yes,”: Is the libertarian view that we would be better off if they said, “Gee, it is highly likely that I’m going to suck in an emergency – you better move me to a middle seat back by the bathroom.”?

    Mr. Liberal’s point: “And then (although this is not Govt) the pilot gets on and tells me the weather in whatever city I am going to (as if that would change anything) and some of them waste my time telling me the route they will follow and other minute and meaningless details while I am trying to work or finish a call with a colleague.”

    Mr. Ravi’s counterpoint: Sweet Jesus!! Could it Be?? – Ravi believes that you were the A-Hole on a flight two weeks ago who kept on talking on the phone in the adjacent seats while the pilot was trying to share the fact that we were on a weight-restricted flight that was mandated to follow a particular route, but perhaps your self-important, self-aggrandizing, self-worshiping, and self-absorbed outlook prevented you from hearing any of this.

    Mr. Liberal’s point: “It is well past time to end the stupid electronics rules on aircraft. Can we libertarians at least be given that?”

    Mr. Ravi’s counterpoint: Where Ravi comes from, Mr. Liberal, there is a name for libertarians who prattle on and complain about everything that is inconvenient in life. We call them: Whiners.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “…meaningless details while I am trying to work or finish a call with a colleague.”

    File this under: Everything is Amazing and Nobody’s Happy (see Louis C.K.)

  • liz says:

    Wow, nice to know that your phone call is ever so much more important than listening to the people who are giving you information that may save your life.

    If working uninterruptedly is that critical, take the train.

  • Indy Pendant says:

    “I have three degrees and am a MENSA member. I understand in DETAIL the science and math of issues like Climate or others. To argue I am anti-intellectual or logic is ridiculous.”

  • A.E. Gnat says:

    And, IP, he has issued a standing challenge to face off on “Jeapordy” (sic) to those who would dare to question his intellectual prowess.

    MENSA is one of those organizations which exists solely so those who are members can brag about being members.

    I’ll take Navel-Gazers for $300, Alex.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    I see LA is going to regret that moment of hubris.

  • “Wow, nice to know that your phone call is ever so much more important than listening to the people who are giving you information that may save your life. ”

    That information will not affect my life in an emergency.

    ” If something goes wrong, Ravi does not want the flight crew having to tell Mr. Bozo in Seat 3A to power-down. The other problem that Ravi sees is the % of self-important….how do you say……Assholes! on flights who can’t follow the rules.”

    “Ravi believes that you were the A-Hole on a flight two weeks ago who kept on talking on the phone in the adjacent seats while the pilot was trying to share the fact that we were on a weight-restricted flight that was mandated to follow a particular route, but perhaps your self-important, self-aggrandizing, self-worshiping, and self-absorbed outlook prevented you from hearing any of this.”

    And it didn’t matter what route he took for what reason. At best all I care about is what time we get there. I am not going to change anything based on all that detailed information.

    Interesting how all the liberals jump to the defense of silly rules and rituals. Then engage in personal attacks that don’t even seem related except to help themselves feel better about their perceived intellectual superiority.

    The psychology they display is the same one that leads to banning dodgeball, silly warning labels on products, and many other odd rules we endure today so they can feel better that SOMETHING is being done. Because, God Forbid we just do nothing and accept the occasional corner case problem.

    Let’s just keep taking everything that goes wrong and make a ritual about it to pretend it will prevent it in the future.

    I have been on multiple flights that have gone into emergencies, including two decompressions. One of which resulted in the plane diving because the oxygen masks did not deploy. In those cases the flight attendants said nothing, the pilots had no time to say anything, and nobody was still reading their book. A few were screaming. Some were praying openly. Most were stoic.

    The reality is that in an emergency, all of that ritual doesn’t matter and has no impact on survivability for people who aren’t being actually trained.

  • “I see LA is going to regret that moment of hubris.”

    No I am not. It was not hubris. I specifically said I hated discussing it.

    It was in response to the constant intellectual belittling by the left who quite literally assume they have the corner on intelligence and that their opponents are ignorant rubes.

    It is insulting bullshit and does not comport with the fact that right leaning thinkers have higher levels of education and intelligence.

    Intellectual superiority is a myth perpetuated by the left to make themselves feel better. It is demeaning when they claim that my side is “anti-science” or similar intellectual insults.

    I am only pointing out that the people claiming that my side is “anti-science” do not even understand what science is and what its appropriate scope is. The irony is they are the one’s making claims unsupported by science while insulting those who see the implications of the science a different way.

    I am not a braggart. I don’t wear my IQ on my sleeve. I get frustrated by the stereotypes of the left about my intelligence. How often can you be called anti-science and an ignorant hick before you have to tell that person off and let them know that they are the one who has an over-inflated sense of intellectual superiority.

    The hubris was expressed by Elder Berry and others on the left here in insulting the intellect of others. I merely pointed out they are very wrong and it is their “hubris” that is on display.

  • By the way Ravi, the stated reason for the electronics to be turned off is not for paying attention. It is electronic interference.

    If paying attention is the reason, then require the FAA to wake everyone up who is sleeping, stop all conversations, and put all books and magazines away.

    Then your reason would have been logically applied.

  • JTHmishmash says:

    Just relate this to car ride, which is much more dangerous than an airplane ride.

    Shouldnt passengers of vehicles be banned to use their electronics, so when the driver get’s in a wreck the passengers are ready for an emergency egress? You wouldnt want them to be unfocused on important unsafe parts of the trip.

    Shouldnt drivers be required to go through emergency procedures every single time before they go for a trip? ya know, this is important information that could save their lives right!?!

    I definitely agree with LA about the electronics rules, while as a pilot myself I can go back and forth in my head on the usefulness of explaining emergency procedures. I see the points on both sides (as you can see my point above agrees with LA)

  • EB,

    Actually, in thinking further, I DO regret saying it. I should have said… “Do you think every MENSA member is a democrat or thinks climate change is a high priority?”

    I actually never discuss my IQ level. I answered personally because I keep getting pissed off that my science-based analysis of the climate change issue is dismissed as the same as creationism.

    I don’t discuss it for a couple reasons. One is that I am actually humble and grateful. I feel blessed and lucky.

    I also simply do not feel superior because of my degrees or IQ. I think that IQ is just one measure and has little correlation with success. My degrees have a little more correlation because I had to work for them, but they are also only partially relevant to who I am and I would likely be in the same place without them.

    I apologize if I came across as acting smarter than others. I actually feel the opposite. I think on most of the issues we discuss on here that intelligence is largely irrelevant.

    And I feel bad if I came across with hubris. That is not who I am.

  • Pragmatist says:

    Over the weekend, I watched a NATGEO show about a crash on the runway at LAX. One of the factors that led to so many deaths on the USAirways plane was that the exit door had not been thrown out over the wing and instead was left inside where it blocked egress.

    Maybe the people in the exit rows didn’t pay close attention to the pre-flight briefing or bother to read the procedures in the card in the seatback in front of them?

  • AFF says:

    Mish-Mash

    You wouldn’t cut it as my navigator on a road trip. I expect the person in the passenger seat to be at my freaking beck and call when I’m driving. Playing with your phone doesn’t cut the mustard when I want something to drink, want the cd changed, need a map check or an “all clear” when merging right.

    Shit, I’ve had passengers save me from my blind spot on my LEFT side when we are trying to make serious time on airport runs.

    As to the emergency pre-road trip emergency check list …. Yes. Any driver worth his salt does a “pre-flight” check just like a pilot before getting on the highway- check your tires, oil, fluids ect. Having something little screw up, like running out of windshield fluid can get serious quickly.

    The passengers don’t have as much responsibility for the pre-flight but they certainly need to be able to take instructions without question. Just yesterday I watched people standing next to a disabled car at dusk on I95 while someone changed a tire. No flashers, no safety triangles, no lights whatsoever- GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY AND GO STAND AS FAR OFF THE SHOULDER AS POSSIBLE.

    I don’t think a person should be able to get their license as a teen until they can change a tire in 5 minutes flat (no pun intended). Your attitude re traveling safely via auto strikes me as very juvenile, perhaps coming from a person who hasn’t done much driving?

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    Well said, AFF – except that “no pn intended” thing – clearly you intended that to be a pun.

  • JTHmishmash says:

    When I drive (and fly), I usually dont depend on my passengers for anything….including navigation. I plan it all out ahead of time….and have backup plan plus a map ready. It’s called being a responsible.

    But I guess that’s just my feeling as a responsible conservative adult.

    But we’re drifting away from the point here (no pun intended,actually it was, haha get it? like a car drifting in the snow?…eh, not the best pun)

    My point in the car anology is that the government doesn’t ban the use of electronics for passengers in vehicles? Why should they? It doesn’t affect a safe ride, and ultimately the drivier is responsible for the safety of the ride….and if the driver (or pilot) is distracted, they have every right to stop that distraction. Electronics for passengers on commercial flights (or private flights) don’t inflict any danger or harm. Who cares if you’re reading your kindle or texting a friend, or working on a business report or anything!

    Regardless, it shouldn’t be up to the government, it should be up to the airline.

    Again, that’s just me, and my opinion that the government doesnt need to be our big brother.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    “I don’t discuss it for a couple reasons. One is that I am actually humble and grateful.”

    Please, go on.

    Does anyone know if there is a society for those who have chronic self-awareness issues?

  • Cato the Elder says:

    “Does anyone know if there is a society for those who have chronic self-awareness issues?”

    http://www.democrats.org/

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    Nice. Way to raise the level of discourse.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    The level of discourse regarding your pet peeves on airline flights?

  • Ravi Oli says:

    Ravi has read Mr. Cato’s retort and is bursting with laughter! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha! Ha Ha!

    Mr. Liberal Anthropologist – Ravi apologizes for anything stated that came across as an attack. Truly, Ravi fails to see that there is a greater preponderance of individuals on the right or the left who can legitimately claim intellectual, social, moral, or sexual superiority.

    To attempt to argue that the right or left has a higher IQ or better education is like punching a baby. It is something that will make most people unhappy.

    There is no doubt that you are a learned person, who has a serious academic side. In the future, if someone implies that your side of the argument is the less intelligent side, Ravi suggests that you resist trying to disprove that which cannot be disproved, and instead, shake your opponents hand, smile, and say, “My, you’ve got a firm grip….you must masturbate a lot!”

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    Ravi,

    You are amazing.

  • John Marsh says:

    Please bring back LI.

    The anthropologists I knew and worked with for years abroad shared a pleasing perspective of tolerance, modesty, and agreeable humility. An apparently rare group.

  • John Marsh says:

    Please bring back LI. LA, you call to mind an apparently all too rare experience of working abroad with anthropologists who shared the pleasing characteristics of tolerance, modesty and humility. What’s happened to the profession?

  • John Marsh says:

    Sorry for the repetition. The first message simply vanished. I assumed censorship!

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    John,

    I can assure you there was no censorship. I would never. I also saw that post disappear. No idea why. Perhaps a bug. We don’t censor people for being insulting.

  • Mr Ed says:

    I don’t think they call them stewardesses any more there Einstein.

  • Elder Berry says:

    LA, this piece is so full of holes and contortions and irrelevancies it wouldn’t pass a sixth grade essay assignment. Your personal preening (and the length of your arm to pat your own back), well let’s just say it’s shameful.

    Oh LI please don’t leave us with nothing but more of this prattle to look forward to.

    FAA regs and the TSA have nothing to do, so far as I know LA, with a loquacious pilot describing the weather at your destination. Do you know otherwise? Please enlighten us lowly mere mortals.

    Or rather, don’t.

    Ravi, nice to meet ya.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    “FAA regs and the TSA have nothing to do, so far as I know LA, with a loquacious pilot describing the weather at your destination. Do you know otherwise? Please enlighten us lowly mere mortals.”

    Elder Berry,

    Enlightening you would be a waste of time since you didn’t read what I wrote. Go back and reread and then you can decide to what degree you have embarrassed yourself and whether you have the intellectual honesty to admit the mistake..

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