02/26/13
McDonnell Visualizes his bill
By Too Conservative
Governor McDonnell visualized his bill online in a website he launched tonight. Check it out below and help share the truth about the transportation problems in Virginia and his solutions for them…
I wonder what the next excuse from the anti-choice crowd will be, since clearly “personhood for zygotes” doesn’t pass the reality test for probably 95% of Americans. Sure, many will argue for it, simply as a way of stopping abortions, but few will seriously believe it. Actually, the ones who will literally believe that argument probably don’t know what a zygote is, and believe that their god personally planted the fetus in the mother’s womb.
So, what will some other arguments be? They’ll probably try another baseless medical excuse – abortions cause cancer, alter the mental state of the patient so that no woman can be of sound mind and legally authorize the procedure. Since they clearly don’t care what actual physicians have to say on the matter, they’ll make up any medical excuse they can and the goobers who support them will eat it up.
Eric,
My definition does not remain flawed. You agree that not all preborn humans are without rights. And so you pick an arbitrary point where those rights begin. I pick a different arbitrary point. One more inclusive and expansive of rights. You choose limiting civil rights.
You choice. But it is not unreasonable to compare that to other limitations of civil rights that have been imposed arbitrarily.
NJSM seems annoyed that he can no longer argue that he is in favor of expanding rights. That he is a limiter of civil rights and that a conservative is in favor of expanding civil rights. His head must explode that I argue for the expansion of rights for gays, women, and pre born humans. This is what is called cognitive dissonance.
A huge percentage of Americans did not think once that blacks were deserving of civil rights. It does not matter what percent now are on the wrong side of a civil rights issue. We will hopefully change their minds.
And since NJSM just called me a raghead, we can throw him in with the racists crowd as well. I hope his ideological brethren repudiate that.
You already called me a racist, I’m just proving you right. Right?
You truly are a flag bearer for the downtrodden. A true defender of rights. Now, have you noticed that people tend to back away from you a bit when you talk to them? That people tend to send your phone calls to voicemail, who seem to take their time returning your emails?
Elder, it is obvious that you do not believe that capital flowing in the private sector yields the best efficiency in its use, that rather it is better for the government to confiscate as much of it as possible and have masterminds determine the best allocation. We’ll see how that works out with your MessiahCare over the next couple years as prices skyrocket as individual choices and services are diminished.
“You agree that not all preborn humans are without rights. And so you pick an arbitrary point where those rights begin.”
My point is not arbitrary, it is what we use currently to define when a person is living or not. It is not arbitrary at all. It is very specific and based on higher brain function. It is far more logical than basing the point of personhood on DNA.
“I pick a different arbitrary point. One more inclusive and expansive of rights.”
So, why stop there is my point? It is far more expansive of rights to protect ALL potential human life. There is NOTHING about your defining point that doesn’t extend logically to eht postion of the Catholic Church. ANY human interference with the “natural” reproductive process denies the potential child the right to life.
That is your logic and argument. You just choose to randomly apply it only to the post-fertilization step of the process. Your postion IS indeed flawed and illogical.
Whereas, my position is logical, sound, and tested. Zygotes are not persons. Personhood begins at the point of higher brain function intiation just as personhood ENDs at the ceasation of higher brain functions. Potential persons are not persons and do not warrant civil rights. Until the point of higher brain functions is reached, it is CLEAR that the rights of the mother trump any possible rights of a fetus. The grey area is between that point and actually traditional birth. Even the pro-life crowd in Mississippi agrees with that logic.
If it can pop out and breath air and live, it’s a person. Until then, it’s not. A zygote cannot do breath air and live on the outside.
If a mother dies during childbirth, should the baby be accused of murder? The mother died because of the baby, at the very least it’s negligent homicide on the part of the infant. It killed it’s mother.
Eric. I would like to continue and I understand your points and still disagree. I am sure we will find another thread to continue this.
I am distracted by finding an actual bigot on TC. We see them on other sites like NVTH, but it is rare here.
NJSM,
Let’s find out if you are a bigot. You just called me the equivalent of the N word without shame. Presumably based on my religion. What other groups are you okay with attacking based on religion? Do you hate Jews? Are you a Bill Maher bigot that hates Christians?
Do you hate certain cultures? Middle eastern? Do you hate races? Do you use the N word as well?
Do you hate gay people?
Please list for us all the groups of People that you are comfortable denigrating with racist or bigoted terminology?
NotJohn, for a baby to have committed “negligent homicide” it would first have to have exhibited criminal negligence due to a guilty act. Could you please give an example or two of such acts you feel would be within the conscious control of the baby?
LI, in your case, just self-loathing worshippers of the moon. How do you think all of the white christians who you commingle with really feel about you? Sure, they’ll tolerate you, since you fill out a check box on their “we’re really good guys” form of diversity. I’m sure they love you though, since you’re a nice collaborating muslim.
Doom, if you don’t think it’s negligate homicide, then at the very least it would be manslaughter.
Manslaughter still requires an “act” or failure to act… what act is the baby performing, conscious or otherwise? The baby does not break out the Jaws of Life, open up the birth canal and claw its way into sunlight, rather it is the mother who “acts” to eject the baby.
I guess you could argue that if the baby, despite the best efforts of the mother to the contrary, stubbornly continued to live and develop beyond the moment of conception you might want to hold the baby responsible for any subsequent damage to its mother, and that is just what I would expect a liberal to do… always find others to blame, especially if they are powerless or gestating at an inconvenient time.
In any event it would still not be manslaughter because in most cases the mother is female.
What, it would be womanslaughter instead?
NJSM
I am LA. Not LI. Allah as understood in Islam is not a moon good no matter what the historical connection of that group of sounds. God is not defined by a human name. Other words for God have various origins including Dios and Yahweh.
I think we have here a genuine Bill Maher style bigot. NJSM, do you hate gays? Do you hate Christians? It is odd to see someone arguing for the rights of one group while bashing another.
Do you detest all dark skinned people? Do you see me as a kind of house n-word?
Please explain yourself. I love taking to bigots like you.
Good = god
“The baby does not break out the Jaws of Life, open up the birth canal and claw its way into sunlight…”
I think some mothers might disagree with you on that one
LI,
Do you invite your Republican friends over to ADAMS Center? How do they feel about you? I’m you’re enemy, so you shouldn’t be too worried what I think about you. Certainly no worse than what you feel about me and other Democrats. But, your pals, how do they think about you? You’re one of them, a evil islamist, a probably terrorist.
Gays are fine, christians are as deluded as muslims.
Njsm,
Do you consider yourself a bigot? My Republican friends are welcone at Adams and often come by. Not to mention that many Muslims are Republicans at Adams.
Not one of my pals things I am a terrorist. As an Islamist, I would be laughable. A libertarian Islamist?
I have been attacked by bigots in the Republican party. And as you are amply demonstrating, I have been attacked by bigots in the Democrats. There are bigots everywhere. The Republican party better represents what I stand for even if they do a terrible job of it too often. I feel welcome in the Republican party as a Muslim.
I now you didn’t answer my questions related to race. Can I assume you hate all people of color?
Do you hate all religions? Or do you only hate the religions like the Jews? What do you think of the Jews? Would you rather that there be no Jews?
Keep talking njsm. Very interesting. Maybe we should go over to Loudoun progress and see how welcome your bigotry is there too.
Don’t sweat it LA. NJiSM is a self-hating cracker who desperately wishes he had a drop of brown blood in his woodpile to assuage his white guilt.
LA,
Thanks for inviting me back to check out the latest at TC. I didn’t see much about McDonnell’s poster in the comments section, but I do have an on-topic question, if that’s ok.
The first line on NoVA traffic delays mentions 67 hours at $1398 per driver which comes out to a little over $20/hour. Do you think that’s a good figure? For one, $20/hour is poverty in this area. Secondly there may be passengers in the car. The transportation bill was a complex financing scheme. Don’t you think the Governor should have been a bit more careful with his assumptions?
Can you refer us to the poster? I haven’t seen it.
And it is good to see you comment on here. Your comments and debate are always welcome.
As a pure math question it should be calculated as avg people per car x average wage including people who make no money. This may give a very low figure. Then the number of hours which is certainly an exaggeration.
But then that be the base from which you subtract actual savings in time. A figure which is surely not very high.
http://varoadtofuture.com/
Really? If that were the case, what is the value of an hour of traffic time for: a retired Supreme Court Justice, a starving artist, a high school academic, or a college athletic star, $0.00?
I think I mentioned the stats were crap on that site. There is no reasonable monetary value that can be placed on traffic delays.
Any calculation is propoganda.
And worse, they did not account for other ways to fix traffic problems. One good example would be staggered hours. Encouragement of telecommunting for knowledge workers.
And the results at the bottom will never come to be. Never. Most of the new money will go to waste.
There is no reason to spend more per capita on transportation in 2011 than 1961. (adjusted for inflation of course). There is always a need for “investments” so “investments” should be in the base budget. There will be investments needed 50 years from now. The increase was an unconscionable state grab of private money and unnecessary.
And it will not help anything.
Then what the heck is Vince selling, and why? Perhaps it’s social media testing for the Ted Cruz campaign.
Not sure. Vince would have to speak for himself. I do applaud him for running a business in social media on the content side. While the platform guys have gotten rich, the content side has struggled. Success like Vince has seen is hard to come by.