What We Need a Real National Conversation On

By Liberal Anthropologist

For reasons, not particularly relevant, I was forced yesterday to watch 6 hours straight of CNN coverage of the news. It was almost exclusively about the Zimmerman trial. As I continued to listen, I continued to get more annoyed. How could a story – as tragic as it was – dominate the news when so many real news stories are happening. It is similar to all of the many stories we see followed about local crime that become national news going back to at least the Lindbergh baby and perhaps the sensationalized stories of Old West violence between idiots shooting each other over nothing.

This is local news or at best regional news. Nationally we have a continuing failing economy with an unprecedented unemployment rate this far into a recovery. We have national debt issues. We have a spying scandal. We have issues with the IRS. We have decisions to make about foreign policy.

What is worse is that the coverage is simply weird. Conversations about Stand Your Ground laws when that law was never part of the case. No analysis that shows that Stand Your Ground exonerates black defendants disproportionately.  Expressions by many that Zimmerman was guilty of following the kid when following someone is not a crime. This odd logic was never even questioned. Or that he was guilty of “profiling” when he is not law enforcement and profiling is not illegal or even illogical given the recent circumstances in his neighborhood and the experience of his neighbor and wife in recent weeks beforehand.  Or that gun control is an issue.  Well maybe it is.  But he is not guilty for legally carrying a weapon.

Not to mention that the case was clearly not proven beyond a reasonable doubt and it should never have been brought in the first place. There was no evidence this was not self defense and at least some evidence it was. The original actions by the police were correct.

Then the media throws in the race factor with gusto. Why? Well remember it was just names at the beginning and an assumption that Zimmerman was simply white. The narrative started then. As the nuances came there was no change in the narrative. Zimmerman became “White Hispanic”. There is zero evidence that Zimmerman is a racist in any form and yet there are endless discussions about it. Worst of all is that the Justice department opened an investigation when there is no evidence that has ever come forth to warrant opening one. This is the same justice department that has not been investigating things that are politically problematic for the President. They somehow have time to chase a guy who exhibited no racist tendencies at any point.  If this was black on black, the media would never have noticed.

Facts don’t matter to most people. This simple case has been politicized and changed into something it never was. That is a shame.  The conversation we need to be having is on how much we value journalistic honesty, balance, and integrity.  Simply put, it would be nice to see some intelligence in journalism, but I guess we are back in the dark days of Yellow Journalism again.


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  • I am on a keyboard. Below is the transcript of the 911 call by Zimmerman with time stamps.

    Dispatcher

    Sanford Police Department.

    Zimmerman

    Hey we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, it’s Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher

    OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman

    He looks black.

    Dispatcher

    Did you see what he was wearing?

    Zimmerman

    Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now, he was just staring.

    Dispatcher

    OK, he’s just walking around the area…

    Zimmerman

    looking at all the houses.

    Dispatcher

    OK…

    Zimmerman

    Now he’s just staring at me.

    Dispatcher

    OK-you said it’s 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

    Zimmerman

    That’s the clubhouse…

    Dispatcher

    That’s the clubhouse, do you know what the-he’s near the clubhouse right now?

    Zimmerman

    Yeah, now he’s coming towards me.

    Dispatcher

    OK.

    Zimmerman

    He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.

    Dispatcher

    How old would you say he looks?

    Zimmerman

    He’s got button on his shirt, late teens.

    Dispatcher

    Late teens. Ok.

    Zimmerman

    Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.

    Dispatcher

    Just let me know if he does anything, ok?

    Zimmerman

    (unclear) See if you can get an officer over here.

    Dispatcher

    Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.

    Zimmerman

    Okay. These (expletive) they always get away. Yep. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.

    Dispatcher

    So it’s on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

    Zimmerman

    No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left, uh, you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. (expletive) he’s running.

    Dispatcher

    He’s running? Which way is he running?

    Zimmerman

    Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

    Dispatcher

    Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?

    Zimmerman

    The back entrance…(expletive)(unclear)

    Dispatcher

    Are you following him?

    Zimmerman

    Yeah.

    Dispatcher

    Ok, we don’t need you to do that.

    Zimmerman

    Ok.

    Dispatcher

    Alright sir what is your name?

    Zimmerman

    George…He ran.

    Dispatcher

    Alright George what’s your last name?

    A clicking or knocking sound can be heard here

    Zimmerman

    Zimmerman

    Dispatcher

    And George what’s the phone number you’re calling from?

    Clicking or knocking sound is heard again

    Zimmerman

    [phone number removed]

    Dispatcher

    Alright George we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

    Zimmerman

    Yeah.

    Dispatcher

    Alright, where you going to meet with them at?

    Zimmerman

    Um, if they come in through the, uh, (knocking sound) gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, (knocking sound) straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck…[unintelligible]

    Dispatcher

    What address are you parked in front of?

    Zimmerman

    I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.

    Dispatcher

    Okay do you live in the area?

    Zimmerman

    Yeah, I…[unintelligible]

    Dispatcher

    What’s your apartment number?

    Zimmerman

    It’s a home it’s [house number removed], (knocking sound) oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.

    Dispatcher

    Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?

    Zimmerman

    Yeah that’s fine.

    Dispatcher

    Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there, okay?

    Zimmerman

    Actually could you have them, could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?

    Dispatcher

    Okay, yeah that’s no problem.

    Zimmerman

    Should I give you my number or you got it?

    Dispatcher

    Yeah I got it [phone number removed]

    Zimmerman

    Yeah you got it.

    Dispatcher

    Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.

    Zimmerman

    Thanks.

    Dispatcher

    You’re welcome.

    Here is a version with the time stamps added.

    Zimmerman:

    We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

    This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

    Zimmerman:

    He looks black.

    911 dispatcher:

    Did you see what he was wearing?

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]

    911 dispatcher:

    He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

    Zimmerman:

    Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

    Zimmerman:

    That’s the clubhouse.

    911 dispatcher:

    He’s near the clubhouse now?

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

    And he’s a black male.[1:03]

    911 dispatcher:

    How old would you say he is?

    Zimmerman:

    He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

    911 dispatcher:

    Late teens?

    Zimmerman:

    Uh, huh.

    Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

    He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

    911 dispatcher:

    Let me know if he does anything, OK?

    Zimmerman:

    OK.

    911 dispatcher:

    We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

    Zimmerman:

    OK.

    These @!$%#s. They always get away.

    When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

    He’s running. [2:08]

    911 dispatcher:

    He’s running? Which way is he running?

    Zimmerman:

    Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

    Zimmerman:

    The back entrance.

    ‘F-ing (inaudible) at 2:22]

    911 dispatcher:

    Are you following him? [2:24]

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah. [2:25]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK.

    We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

    Zimmerman:

    OK. [2:28]

    911 dispatcher:

    Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

    Zimmerman:

    George. He ran.

    911 dispatcher:

    Alright, George, what’s your last name?

    Zimmerman:

    Zimmerman.

    911 dispatcher:

    What’s the phone number you’re calling from?

    Zimmerman:

    (redacted)

    911 dispatcher:

    Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah.

    911 dispatcher:

    Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?

    Zimmerman:

    Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

    911 dispatcher:

    Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

    Zimmerman:

    Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, do you live in the area?

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah, yeah, I live here.

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, what’s your apartment number?

    Zimmerman:

    It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]

    911 dispatcher:

    Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …

    Zimmerman:

    Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, that’s no problem.

    Zimmerman:

    My number … you’ve got it?

    911 dispatcher:

    Yeah, I’ve got it.

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah, you got it.

    911 dispatcher:

    OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

    Zimmerman:

    Thanks.

    911 dispatcher:

    You’re welcome.

    Call ends 4:07

    And here is the audio with time stamps:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BI03-MRKnI

  • OK, now let’s look at your “facts”.

    First of all that Zimmerman had no reason to be looking out for someone with a hoodie.

    The facts are that his development had had 8 or so homes broken into in the last 9 months. For those with witnesses there were hoodies in many cases and black youth in every case.

    In the couple of days before the incident, there had been a home invasion with guns of a woman with a baby that was Zimmerman’s neighbor. Zimmerman’s wife saw the people escape through her back yard. Again, hoodies, and black.

    Any of you would be on guard and worried. If Ashburn Village had such a spate of robberies and home invasions, you would be grateful for people looking out for suspicious situations.

    In the extreme dark and rain, Zimmerman saw a hoodie figure (unsure of race) walking between houses slowly.

    It is far from unreasonable that he chose to check it out and call the police. It was not for NO REASON. It was very specific reasons. He was wrong about who TM was, but he did a reasonable thing under the circumstances.

  • Now…. A black person?

    The 911 call and the circumstances belie that Zimmerman was suspicious of a black person. It was too dark and rainy to see properly. He tells the dispatcher:

    “911 dispatcher:

    OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

    Zimmerman:

    He looks black.”

    Not he is. He looks. He wasn’t sure in the dark and rain and distance.

    Furthermore:

    “911 dispatcher:

    He’s near the clubhouse now?

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

    And he’s a black male.[1:03]”

    In fact Zimmerman doesn’t know it is a black man until 1:03 into his 911 call when TM approaches him with his hand in his wasteband. Perhaps suggesting a gun.

  • So that covers:

    “The fact that Zimmerman called the police on a black man for no reason,”

    Now lets address:

    “was told not to follow him, chose to anyway, got out of his car,”

    He was never told not to follow him. Specifically, what was said is:

    “911 dispatcher:

    Are you following him? [2:24]

    Zimmerman:

    Yeah. [2:25]

    911 dispatcher:

    OK.

    We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

    He was ALREADY OUT OF THE CAR.

    Two seconds later he says OK and STOPS CHASING TM. TM Disappears. He was never ordered. He was already out of his car. And when the comment was made he STOPPED CHASING HIM. Listen to the call. The chase ends and he continues to give additional details to the dispatcher about where the police can meet him. They hang up.

    It is simply false that he did something he was told not to do.

  • Note also he got out of his car because the boy ran. There was a reason.

  • As Bill pointed out the plausible explanation (aka reasonable doubt) was presented in the case. TM returns to ZImmerman. Zimmerman was in the same place where he tells the dispatcher he is when he gets off the call. TM could have finished going home. For some reason, he is back at the place where the 911 call ended AFTER getting away.

    It is more than reasonable to say that he returned. Let’s not forget that as you call Zimmerman a “wanna be cop” that it is clear that TM was a a “wanna be gangsta”. TM had a known history of violence. TM was on the phone with his friend talking about Zimmerman with racial derogatories. Have you looked at TM’s life? Zimmerman was calm on the phone. TM had a history of getting into fights with people he felt disrespected him.

  • You all have read the mind of Zimmerman, and judged him wrong when the evidence points in the exact opposite direction. I have shown how numerous “facts” you have been told are simply put – NOT FACTS.

    At the minimum, you should go back and realize you were not aware of the facts and think about it again. But if you start from the hysteria that you are being sold, you are doing a disservice to the cause of justice and a man who did nothing wrong.

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    “Hey we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, it’s Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher

    OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman

    He looks black.”

    And if the guy who was walking in the rain was white, would there have been a call? Or would Z-man have gotten out of his car to follow him (I mean to find an address…)??? I think the answer is pretty clearly not. Then TV makes the cardinal black man sin, he ran from a man who was following him. Something I have taught my white children to do but a black parent must teach their child NEVER to do.

    I have not judged Z-man wrong. He obviously was convinced TM was a perp and he actively persued him with a gun after being told that he shouldn’t and the police would handle it. My central statement is sound. If TM were white this would not have happened.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    “And if the guy who was walking in the rain was white, would there have been a call?”

    I think you can see now that he wasn’t sure he was black. I have seen video of the place at night. There are no lights. It was raining. He just saw a figure that might have been black. If it had turned out he was white, he would have ALREADY BEEN on the call. He made the call before he was sure he was black. It was only when TM came towards him that he knew for sure.

    And if he KNEW he was white there might not have been a call. But not because of racism, but because of circumstance. It was black youth that the neighborhood was on the lookout for because it was black youth that had committed the crimes, including the ones his wife had just witnessed days before.

    ” he actively persued him with a gun after being told that he shouldn’t and the police would handle it.”

    Listen to the audio. This is simply not true. He stops chasing and looking within 2 seconds of being told he didn’t need to do that. Not “don’t do it”. And in any case, he DID stop. It is one of the growing myths that he didn’t listen to the dispatcher.

    Your central statement may be true, but it is disconnected from racism and is true only circumstantially. This is not a case to hang racism on and the Justice department and the race baiters are hanging themselves. There is plenty of real racial injustice. Let’s focus on those cases.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    I just discovered that SYG was included in the jury instructions amongst many other things and that SYG is included in every self defense case in Florida.

    This was in the instructions.

    “If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

    The key issue here is the “duty to retreat”.

    But it should not have affected the verdict because his story (undisputed by any evidence) was that TM returned to him, approached him, asked if Zimmerman had a problem, Zimmerman said no, and then TM said “well now you do”. He hit zimmerman with a punch and knocked him to the ground. He said he saw stars. When he next was aware, TM was on top of him and banging his head in the ground.

    Thus the defense was a standard defense that included no elements of SYG. But the standard instructions now contain it in case there is a question of ability to retreat.

    The verdict was correct. There was no counter evidence to Zimmerman’s defense. Furthermore at the time he took the shot he was on the ground and TM was on top of him. Forensic evidence showed that. So he would not be able to retreat at the time he took the fatal shot.

    Listening to these jurors talk I am amazed how many times they get the right answer when they seem to so often not understand many things.

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    “I think you can see now that he wasn’t sure he was black.”

    It would have gone something like this. “I think he is black…..on no, he is white. Probably not our man. I will just wait in the car.”

    What made TM guilty before anything else in Z-mans mind was his race. A running black man. It HAD to be the guy. It’s a charicature of racism in America, LA. It never occurred to Z-man that this guy was not his perp because he was black and running.

    You do not know what happened after that anymore than I do.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    Eric,

    You don’t know what you just said. You are claiming mind reading ability.

    In any case, are you aware that the suspect people in that neighborhood people were looking for was a young black male or males? They had committed all the crimes in the previous months in the area for which there was witnesses.

    Therefore he might not chase a white that was running because thatwas not who war being looked for. It Iisnt a caricature of racism. Do you want people to Iignore race as a descriptor. Do you want thetcops to stop referring to race as a descriptor when trekking them who to look out for?

    You are ignoring the circumstances. He had a reason to be looking for young black male with hoody. And he found one. In the night. Moving slowly between houses despite the rain. Zimmerman is not a racist. If you’re hypothesis is true then it was because of circumstance.

    If tm had been wearing a Polo Shirt and loafers he would not have been followef. If he had been walking quickly on the sidewalk he would not have been followed. If he was 40 plus he would not havebeen followed.

    You must admit that the recent crimes before this incident played a role.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    Trekking equals telling

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    LA, does it not concern you, the great libertarian, that a man with a gun calls the police because a man is walking outside in the rain and then feels compelled to make sure he can be stopped and questioned? All because he was black. No concern whatsoever?

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    It does not. You seem to not understand libertarianism. It is not anarchism. We certainly want police to be called when someone is concerned.

    Now… When the police approached TM, he would have every right to refuse to answer their questions beyond identifying himself. He could simply ask if he was being detained. If the policeman had detained him under the conditions we know of then the policemen would have been in trouble for false arrest as TM was not breaking any law.

    I know it is hard to accept, but this is a simple, normal tragedy. No greater story. No lessons to be learned. Just the kind of thing that happens from time to time.

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    Make sure you keep your papers with you, LA (especially if you happen to be black, Hispanic, or of Arab descent).

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    All immigrants and tourists are required to carry passports or green cards. Citizens do not.

    There is no racial component there.

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    Well, if you the citizen vaguely match (as in are the same race as) a certain group of troublemakers, you better carry something because in your world it is fine for anybody to call the cops on you because of your race. Be ready to answer those questions and you better hope nothing is out of order.

  • Elder Berry says:

    It was not a simple nor normal tragedy, and Zimmerman is back out in his car with a gun. On patrol again, presumably.

    Your earlier assertion that Trayvon was shot for not dressing preppie is just sad. It was not the hoodie that got him killed, it was the color of his skin. LA you should not be being an apologist for that sick monster.

    As the juror said, he got away with murder. That’s the law’s fault. Excusing him like that is your fault.

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    Oh, and teach your kids not to run if a creepy guy is following them, if you are the wrong color that is.

  • Elder Berry says:

    Exactly right, Eric. When every loon like Zimmerman is armed, no one’s kids are safe.

    It was Trayvon Martin who was very lawfully standing his ground. He got killed for it.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    E12t,

    There is no relation of what you are taking about and it doesn’t make sense. Zimmerman chased him because he was acting suspicious. He was. He thought he was the guy who had been robbing homes. What did he do wrong exactly. Zimmerman did not do anything wrong. Even shooting TM was the correct defensive move.

    Again it is embarrassing how you are connecting race to a non racial incipient. You guys have been suited up with injustice over a simple tragedy. You should be ashamed.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    EB,

    you are not known for actually thinking so I doubt this will get through your head.

    Zimmerman had reasons to suspect Martin that are valid. He sour him in self defense. TM according to the available testimony swung at Zimmerman and hit him first. He had a known history of starting fights. He bragged about it. His friend said she thought he threw the first punch. Zimmerman had no such history and was calm on 911.

    So you tell me. How was TM standing his groundwhen he threw the first punch. That is not applicable to SYG.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    I know you guys love this frenzy, but really. You must stop. Zimmerman is a good man by all accounts. He is no monster.

    It is embarassing how silly you are being. Deal with the facts not your imagined facts. You remind me of the race hustlers in NYC upset about stop and frisk from a racial perspective. It is foolish. White people are disproportionately frisked in NYC.

    I know facts. You don’t have them. None came out in court that spry what you say.

    Put simply you are making things up and engaging in a shameful witch hunt. Shame on you.

  • Ed Myers says:

    LA, we shouldn’t develop laws that encourage people to kill others over property disputes. Taking your version that Z was a good guy and M was a mistaken stand-in for a neighborhood robber you still have a confrontation over property that escalated into an assault and then a shooting. SYG shouldn’t apply to property rights. Neighborhood watch should not restrict people’s freedom to move about the neighborhood solely on (even reasonable) suspicions they might engage in property crime. Your whitewash of Z’s actions in this incident can only work logically if the neighborhood’s past experiences with individuals meeting TM’s description were violent crimes.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    Ed,

    They were. A woman and baby were held at gunpoint in a home invasion next door to Zimmerman days before TM was killed. Zimmermans wife saw the people escape through Zimmerman’s lawn. They included a young black male wearing a hoodie.

    In any case there was no confrontation by Zimmerman. He simply called the police. The confrontation was by TM. Zimmerman did not approach him or even talk to him until TM spoke to him.

    If you don’t deal with the facts you will never understand this case. You are applying false racism where none existed. You are making things up that didn’t happen. We want people to involve the police when they see something suspicious.

    Zimmerman didn’t confront TM. You start with a fake premise. He did nothing but call the cops. When the guy ran he tried to follow him. Was told he didn’t need to. Stopped. Lost him. Stayed wherehe was and waited for the cops. TM confronted and attacked him.

    You cannot continue to make up your own stories. SYG was not used and not relevant to this case. He was not in a position to flee when he shot.

    You have been fooled by race hustlers and gun control nuts. They made things up. You bought it.

  • Ed Myers says:

    SYG was part of the jury instructions. You keep ignoring that fact to stay on your rant. You are untitled to fill-in the holes with your conjectures but not to declare them as undisputed facts.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    I posted they were in the jury instructions. I did not ignore it. But it is just standard instructions in Florida in a self defense case. The instructions did not apply to the facts. SYG does not apply when youare held down. You have no option to escape.

    So how does SYG apply in this case?

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    “Zimmerman chased him…”

    You could stop right there. What did TM DO to warrant being chased by an armed man?

    “…because he was acting suspicious. He was.”

    Walking in the rain does not rise to the level of suspicious behavior (unless you are a black man on Z-man’s beat of course).

    “He thought he was the guy who had been robbing homes.”

    ONLY because he was black. What Z-man THOUGHT does not mean he was warranted to “chase him” or call the police on him.

  • liberal anthropologist says:

    Zimmerman did the right and brave thing trying to keep track of where TM was so the police could question him. It is what we expect of citizens. We celebrate add heroes citizens who get involved in stopping crime. He did an admirable thing.

    You are specifically ignoring or are ignorant of facts when you say he was just walking in the rain. What else was he doing? Do you know?

    I would have personally called the cops if I saw TM in my neighborhood doing what he was doing. You would have too. He was not just walking in the rain. I am tired of correcting and educating you about what the facts were. Stop believing the lies you have been told.

    He did not call the police just because he was black. He was not sure of race. He saw the hoodie and specific behavior. That was why the call.

    What behavior that was consistent with the burgleries and home invasions did he see?

    You are simply wrong on this. It is ok to admit you were sold a bill of goods by hustlers.

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