Purity At All Costs – Even If It Means Losing the Senate (and It Just Did)

By Lloyd the Idiot

Well, Loudoun County Republicans picked another ultra-conservative and, again, paid the price.  This time, it was especially dear – control of the Virginia Senate.

John Whitbeck got absolutely trounced by Wexton, who, like the statewide ticket last year, campaigned on the threat of extreme Republicans who would, among other things, challenge abortion rights.  You can’t blame Joe May for this one either.  Even if you add Whitbeck’s and May’s votes, the sum still falls short of Wexton’s 53%.

Loudoun (and all of Virginia) turns blue-er.  No doubt due to the red-ness, and the cluelessness, of the state Republican party leadership.




  • Not Harry F. Byrd says:

    Lloyd, if you had just worked a bit harder for EW Jackson, this could have been prevented.

    Why do you hate liberty?

  • Satchmo says:

    Damn, Whitbeck wasn’t “conservative” enough. Back to the bench, who’s next.

    At this point, after so many lessons, election after election, I’ll wait to see reform rather than expect it. The LCRC should close doors, kick everyone out due to some charter violation and hold an open Rush. Probably would work better.

  • Satchmo says:

    How absurd! Talked to a few LCRC friends and they say folks are blaming May. “It’s all May’s fault, if he had put his weigh behind John like a good R John would have won”. “Darn, guess we need to be better at GOTV”.

    There you have it. Denial, denial, denial. And it ain’t a body of water, but you can certainly drown in it.

    Here’s a hint: CHANGE YOUR LEADERSHIP and stop kicking people out of the committee. Reform from within and let new blood pick some reasonable winning candidates.

  • Independent voter says:

    Here we go again, deny the real reason for the a$$ kicking. No, it wasn’t Joe May’s fault. If Whitbeck had all of Joe’s votes, he would still have lost. Even though Wexton wasn’t the greatest candidate, I predicted she would win–but not by such a large margin.

    After all these Republican losses, how long will it be before the light goes on in the Party. Whitbeck was a terrible choice–he was even a turn-off in his TV ads. Are there no MODERATES out there?

    BTW: When do we get to replace the BOS with some moderate R’s AND D’s? The reinstatement of ED to a leadership position was a real indicator of the Board’s bowing at the alter of the extreme right.

  • Brian Withnell says:

    “the Idiot” is an apt name. Joe May lost, then made absolutely sure the Republican would lose. Sour Grapes Joe wanted to make sure the republicans lost so he could say “I told you so.” Was he campaigning against the dem? Not that I saw … the only thing he did was sling mud at Whitbeck. So how many people that were on the fence did Sour Grapes get to vote Dem? People that if May had given his support to Whitbeck (as I believe his candidate pledge demands) would have voted for Whitbeck?

    When Republicans sling mud at Republicans, the Dems will win.

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    See, I woke up this morning with a nagging concern. “Will R in VA learn their lesson and start running competitive candidates?”, I thought. I actually thought that maybe we need to lose a couple races to someone like Whitbeck to keep the flame alive on the far right. Then I saw Brian’s posts on the subject and breathed a sigh of relief. It gives me great hope that Dick Black will be the R candidate for Wolf’s seat. Don’t lose the faith, Brian, we are counting on you!

  • Independent Voter says:

    Brian Whitnell: Do the math.

    Wexford: 11,427 votes

    Whitbeck: 8,128
    May: 2,119
    Total: 10,247

    If ALL of May’s votes had gone to Whitbeck, not a given for sure, he still would have lost. Again, the extreme right lost for the GOP. He was a flawed candidate who got little support from his “friends.”

    Is a pledge that is coerced worth the paper on which it is written?

  • Satchmo says:

    Brian, there is a huge reason republicans are slinging mud at each other. In lies THE REAL PROBLEM. You can’t just stop it and force people to blindly follow when there is real trouble in River City.

    Look at the root cause! Look at the long list of losing candidates! There is definitely a pattern there.

    What is really ironic is now the finger pointing and blame is going outside the committee. Absurd to think this was a Joe May orchestrated event.

  • Independent voter says:

    Talking about mud-slinging, did y’all see the Cooch on TV this morning saying Christie should step down as leader of the GOP? It sure didn’t take long for the Cooch to get his face on TV after. I would have thought he would still be licking his wounds from his disastrous run for Gov.

    The knives are out and the Dems can just sit back and watch the GOP implode. Way to go, guys.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    I hope you don’t think that being pro-life is somehow a losing proposition. It is clearly not since more than half of the population is pro-life and pro-life candidates win all the time. Being pro-life is not an extreme position. It is mainstream. Don’t get the wrong message from recent losses.

  • Satchmo says:

    LA, abortion was settled in this country back in 1973, get over it. It doesn’t sell to try and rehash what has already been adjudicated and settled on.

    Geez more, “it’s May’s fault”, how about this wackos, If the GOP had selected May as there candidate, good chance they win. Look at the candidate and how that candidate appeals to the general public.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:


    I agree with you on May.

    Nothing is ever settled. That makes no sense. If that were the case, we would have made no progress on civil rights or gay rights. Now we just need to make progress on extension of human rights to include all humans. I hope one day you will consider becoming a progressive like me and support expanded rights.

    Regardless, the population tilts pro-life. It is not settled and people DO NOT lose because they are pro-life per se.

    They do lose when they play games. Like the ultrasound thing. If I ran, I would say that I am staunchly pro-life, but that until I can convince enough of the people and the courts to agree with me, I am not going to play games with artificial limitations. No plastic fetuses or ultrasounds or restrictions. No games.

    You are on the wrong side or morality and history, but that does not make you or others who are pro-choice bad. No more than I can hate every man who was a slave owner. You are a product of the distorted thinking of your time. Thinking that is changing.

    Pro-life people win regularly in Virginia and throughout the country. You also cannot take some lesson that pro-life candidates are destined to lose.

  • Eric the 1/2 Troll says:

    “It is clearly not since more than half of the population is pro-life”

    Not true.


    See this question:

    “With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?”

    Only once in the past 13 years did pro-life make it over 50% (51% in 2009). Further, about 60% of Americans feel that R v. W should not be overturned and that has been consistent for quite some time. Only statists wish to use the government to impose their religious beliefs on others. Those who run on such a platform will continue to lose in swing states.

    But I don’t think this has anything to do with all that. I think Whitbeck lost due to demographics, plain and simple. It was easier to get the base out with him as a foil but I think maybe the tide has turned in VA (at least for any race that has to grapple with northern Virginia – esp. Fairfax County).

    I think May would have lost as well. The GOP brand is toast in NoVA, imo.

  • JTHmishmash says:

    “Only statists wish to use the government to impose their religious beliefs on others.”

    Seriously, we need to take a look at the murder laws in this county, “Thou shall not kill”???, what a bunch of religious rhetoric! Stop imposing such beliefs on our society.

  • Brian, the Idiot reference is sheer brilliance. Douchebag.

    Heard that now 107 times.

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    Murder is not a matter of religious faith, JTH. But you do make my point. You think it is perfectly fine to use the state to impose your religious belief on others. If it is in the bible, there should be a law, eh?

  • Not impressed says:

    The quality of life for most people in Loudoun County was improved much more by Joe May’s invention of the yellow first down line on TV than by any of his General Assembly votes including that scary transportation bill. Plus he is a nice guy with a sense of humor whose campaign was a pleasure to watch. His sample ballots listed “Divorce Lawyer #1, Divorce Lawyer #2, and Joe May.” He has a quality known as “self effacing” that Mr. Whitbeck’s minions should look up at dictionary. com.
    The Redskins should hire Joe to invent a senseknockerinto for their owner. Thanks for the smiles, Joe. You have something neither of your opponents can claim: the love and admiration of your constituents.

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    I guess you could say that, in reality, Wexton has constituents. May used to, but no more. Whitbeck, never has, never will.

  • Satchmo says:

    While the wackos are blaming the distinguished Joe May for their loss. Joe May’s replacement Lunatic LaRock presented his first bill. He is advocating for the legalization of bazookas for the citizenry:


    Plastic fetus antics have defined Black and he’s never shaken the connection. Similar, LaRock will never be able to do anything, as he will for ever be known as Bazooka LaRock.

  • Liberal Anthropologist says:

    How about you act like you are not wildly partisan and characterize that bill for what it really says and is about. It is not “legalization of bazookas”.

  • David Dickinson says:

    Remember folks that of the 24 or so County and Commonwealth officials in Loudoun, 23 are Republican. The 33rd Senate District was the one and only Democrat stronghold.

    All Supervisors are Republican. All Constitutional Officers are Republican. All Delegates are Republican. One State Senator is Republican and one is a Democrat.

    That this Democrat stronghold remained Democrat was really no surprise. That anyone should actually cheer that they are 1-23 is a bit surprising.

    You can’t win them all (although it would have been nice).

    John Whitbeck should be commended. He took a big risk running in a District with long odds.

    Wexton raised $650k
    Whitbeck raised $250k
    May raised $150k

    What did we learn?

    1. Independents are still living in a pipe dream if they think they will ever win. How many times will we hear “If only a good middle-of-the-roader would run….” One did, and he almost but not quite got 10%.
    2. Republicans are having trouble at the state level with fundraising. Without the self-interested monied interests on our side, where will we get the funds to fight the liberal hordes?
    3. Democrats continue to lie through their teeth and are winning on social issues…despite their criticism that it is a Republican obsession it sure does seem to be a total obsession in everything Democrat.

  • Independent voter says:

    While it is true that Joe May ran as an Independent , he was, is, and always will be a Republican. Had he won the primary, I believe he could have won the election. However, Joe is 76 and has more than “paid his dues” and I wish him a very happy and relaxed future.

  • Independent voter says:

    Dick Black has dropped out of the race for FW’s seat? Is this true?

  • Eric the 1/2 a troll says:

    Yes, I am so disappointed. 🙁 What a total wimp!,

  • Independent voter says:

    Too bad! Was too much personal baggage or pressure from the TP persuaded Dick this is a battle he cannot win? I think it was the fetus fiasco together with the spousal rape (nightiegate) speech that was his gotcha moment.

  • Bill Fox says:

    David- I’m not sure its true that an independant can’t win. However, in order for an independant to win, he or she would have to be able to generate excitement in order to build a strong grass roots campaign. Joe May has many great qualities. But It would be difficult for anyone to characterize him as “exciting.” For an independant to be exciting, they can’t simply be middle of the road between the two parties on issues across the board. They must be able to exhibit rock solid convictions on at least a few issues that really matter to people. Ideally these issues would be things that a candidate would be able to speak passionately about, to get a base riled up, without offending everyone else. Abortion and Homosexuality cannot be the issues. So, an ideal independant would not strictly be a moderate, although he or she might be moderate on the issues that are divisive. Also, a special election with a constricted time frame is a terrible race for an independent. Without a party apparatus to rely on, an independent would need a good long period to ramp up and build support. A good independent should be able to appeal to virtually all independent voters, but also be compelling enough to pull voters in from both parties.

    An independent could win in Northern VA. . .but admittedly it would be difficult, and it would have to be the right candidate.

  • Satchmo says:

    Satchmo, I agree with you Black could not defend the plastic fetus and the spousal rape views. He also spared the party from defending him against the other incidence of embarrassment and bizarre thinking. He has a very long list. A very good call by those who protect him to convince him to back off. Further, very cleaver to appeal to his ego to make his staying in the Senate a savior movement. Even though that move makes little impact on what happens there.

  • Ross Patterson says:

    Bill Fox – Joe May had no problem turning out voters in the 33rd District – of the House of Delegates – on Tuesday. Perhaps he should have considered running as an independent in that district, instead of in the Senate 33rd. As Judy Brown said Tuesday, “There’s confusion in the western part of the county because when people see or hear [May’s] name, they believe they should be voting”.

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