On the association game

By VA Blogger

Calling, comparing, or associating Barack Obama with Osama bin Laden is distasteful and wrong for any rational person, let alone an elected official and a party leader. Jeff Frederick’s comments should be rebuked by anyone who hears them.

Along the same lines, calling, comparing, or associating Bob McDonnell with the Taliban is as equally distasteful and wrong, and should be rebuked by any rational person. Are we really going to compare the Attorney General of Virginia to brutal warlords who committed who knows how many human rights atrocities because you don’t like his political ideology?

Anybody who refers to the Republican nominee for Governor as “Taliban Bob” is as worthless to political discourse as Jeff Frederick. Anyone disagree?


Comments

  • Loudoun Watcher says:

    Absolutely not. You are totally correct in both respects. Thank you for voicing it.

  • P2P says:

    Completely agree.

    I am still trouble as to why Frederick is still the COP chair for the commonwealth and why Sen McCain has not repudiated Frederick’s remarks or had him removed.

  • Great post.

    Lets keep political discourse high.

  • Former LCRC Member says:

    That’s fine…McCain’s campaign did indeed repudiate the remark. Now if any of you out there are still Republicans, we’ve got a race to try to win…move along.

  • RichmondDem says:

    I sure don’t disagree on either point.

  • RichmondDem says:

    It seems to me most of Virginia doesn’t like negative campaigning.

  • P2P says:

    I HATE the negative campaigning, it has been the single most turn off. I still consider myself a republican, but more moderate…my Nov4th ballot will look like this:
    Obama but not Sen McCain (Palin is too risky)
    Leaning Warner (Gilmore no car tax is a legacy)
    Wolf (Feder is too left)

  • Alfred E. Newman says:

    Hello all,

    Good to see the website back up. The whisper campaign against Obama has been going on for several months. Aside from an apparently sincere attempt by McCain to quiet some of the people at his rallies, this has all been a predictable part of the Republican playbook that the rest of the party (and his running mate) seem only too happy to perpetuate. McCain has absolutely no chance of winning if he doesn’t tell voters what he is proposing; it seems to me that all we’re hearing lately are allegations such as the above and hints that Obama is some kind of closet communist.

    At this rate, we will end up with both Congress and the Execituve in firm Democratic control. This has happened in the past, and the important question is: will Obama’s legacy be akin to Carter’s or Roosevelt’s? Let’s hope for the country’s sake that it is more like the latter.

  • Red_Defender? says:

    What Jeff Frederick said is literally correct. Both Osama and Obama do know people who bombed the Pentagon.

    It use to be well understood that we are known by the company we keep. The company Obama has been keeping certainly leaves a lot to be desired. Ayers is an UNREPENTANT terrorist. As such, he should be ostracized, not honored with responsible positions.

    Do a little research. Obama was quite happy to associate with Ayers.

  • Penny Saved says:

    G. Gordon Liddy. Paul Schenk.

  • Alfred E. Newman says:

    “Obama was quite happy to associate with Ayers.”

    This is typical attack politics. Ayers is a well-established authority in Chicago on education issues. While it is certainly true that his past history is repugnant (and Obama has long condemned him for that), Ayers is someone who has taken his earlier activism and channeled it into education. I suppose we should condemn the Annenbergs for being involved with him as well? A pity, Nixon must be rolling in his grave!

  • Moderate R says:

    I agree completely.

    If this campaign goes the way it is trending, I will be interested in seeing how Frederick explains away losing Congressional seats, a Senate seat, and the entire Commonwealth to the Democrats in November. He blamed John Hagar for our losses last November when Hagar had barely been on the job for 6 months. What’s going to be his excuse?

  • G. Stone says:

    will Obama’s legacy be akin to Carter’s or Roosevelt’s? Let’s hope for the country’s sake that it is more like the latter.
    - Alfred E. Newman

    Say what ! Your hoping he emulates an old Socialist over an incompetent ? What a choice. We are still paying the price for FDR. No thanks, I don’t want another New Deal.

  • VA Blogger says:

    Moderate R–

    Jeff Frederick to me already displayed his “leadership” skills when he took half of the RPV’s bank account to sponsor a statewide TV ad for Jim Gilmore, ignoring the facts that 1) Gilmore is sure to lose, 2) an $80K buy would never influence the race, regarldess of how good it was, and 3) it’s very distressing when a Senatorial campaign can’t afford their own TV ads.

  • Jose Kinusee says:

    Frederick is a prime example of how out of touch the GOP is–it is akin to the lunatics running the insane asylum. Why in the world did the RPV get rid of a great statesman like John Hager? And where did this young punk come from?

  • Pragmatist says:

    This is why I really like this site. Although I don’t agree with the ideology of many of you, at least there is generally a civil, rational debate about the issues.

    The fact that you’re willing to condemn your own party’s representatives when they screw up is refreshing. The extreme partisanship that’s been building in this country is very scary to me. If we can’t even talk to each other without threats or smears, how will we solve any of our countries (many) problems?

    I, like P2P above will be voting Obama, Warner, Wolf. I truly respect McCain, but he’s shown no new ideas beyond cutting taxes, his choice of running mate is an abomination, and he just seems old and angry in his public appearances.

    I didn’t fall for Gilmore’s Kool-Aid with the car tax and I certainly won’t vote for him now.

    Mr. Wolf has done a lot for Virginia and I can see no reason to dismiss him now.

  • T says:

    Is it in the interest of civil discourse to say that Jeff Frederick is single handedly screwing the Republicans with our pants on? I’m really resenting this guy – and I am hopeful that the State Central Committee will remove him.

    The RPV has even failed to get up a website…”NEW WEBSITE COMING SOON” – wasn’t this part of his 100 day plan???? It has said this since May. Time for him to go…

  • G. Stone says:

    Why in the world did the RPV get rid of a great statesman like John Hager? And where did this young punk come from?
    - Jose Kinusee

    He won an election. You have a problem with elections ?

  • P2P says:

    THANK YOU Mr. Daniel Zubairi (of the McCain Camp) it appears you are the first person putting your foot down in these fringe supports. As you did in Woodbridge, VA this past Saturday. I just wished the McCain Camp gave you a hallpass to speak with CNN. The ANP video captured what I (use to) admire about the GOP.

    Here is the Huffingtonpost link for the full story. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/muslim-for-mccain-not-all_n_136324.html

  • Jose Kinusee says:

    Mr. Stone,

    If that is what you call it then yes Heil Freudrich did win. How many fundamentalist packed church buses arrived to cast a vote for the loud mouthed punk? This is not a trick question.

  • RichmondDem says:

    JK–

    I don’t think your party wants you anymore. You’re failing their purity test. People like Tom Davis and John Warner are being run out on a rail and being replaced with fringe nuts like Michelle Bachmann. The nuts that came in on the buses are in charge now.

    Don’t think defeat will make it any better. The post-mortem on McCain will be that if he only shouted “COMMUNIST!” and “HUSSEIN!” more he could have won.

    So much for the “big tent” huh?

  • Loudoun Watcher says:

    John Warner has spent 30 years in the Senate and years before that serving his country in government. He has had several heart ailments recently and is in his 80s. Why on earth would you classify his decision not to go through the rigors of another election as “being run out on a rail”? I guess you just don’t get it. Tom Davis was also not “run out on a rail”. He CHOSE not to run in a convention setting. I think it was peevishness on his part, but that’s just my opinion. But let’s not get shrill about it.

  • t says:

    I proudly stand by Jeff Frederick. Let’s give J-Fred room to maneuver, and then enjoy the spoils of victory.

  • Loudoun Watcher says:

    P.S. RD, you are like a yappy little dog trying to bite Republican heels. Why don’t you go annoy some Democrats?

  • t says:

    RD has the balls to speak the truth, unlike many of the echo-chamber pipsqueaks on this blog.

  • novamiddleman says:

    this is one of the only bipartisan blogs left in the blogosphere dont mess it up Loudoun Watcher

  • Loudoun Watcher says:

    Why should a blog called Too Conservative be a bipartisan blog?

  • P2P says:

    t – re#23
    Your statement supporting Jeff Frederick is a virile symptom of the increasing necrosis eating away at the once thriving VA GOP base. The VA GOP has zero to little ground game, their GOTV efforts are laughable and they continue to alienate R voters in NoVA. Divisive comments and questionable mentality (such as yours) is exactly why I will not support the GOP ticket. However I will be happy to vote for Rep Wolf, who has held a distinguished and venerable career.

    Spoils of victory? If victory comes at the cost of personal dignity, spawned from pure desperation and results in stunted intellectual thinking, lack the usual decorum. Than by all means enjoy the virile victory which many speculate are unlikely to come to fruition.

  • Alter of Freedom says:

    I guess many of us “downstaters” as RK and other prgressive blogs constantly refer to us have a very different perspective. Warner will pick up substantial moderate Republican support here in Chesterfield in large part because a majority of us preferred Tom Davis to run and not Gilmore. Had it been a statewide primary of sorts, I seriously doubt Gilmore would have won the nomination. But alas, maybe the end with the defeat of Allen and soon Gilmore that social conservative wing of the Party will finally come back from to us fiscal conservatives to find qualified and inspiring candidates from our ranks. Jeff Frederick comments illustrates a lack of vision for the future for the State GOP and the tactics of old. He should be concentrating on rebuilding the State GOP and turning over a new paradigm–the bailout support by some GOP’s like Cantor did not help. I know many independents who wanted McCain to stand up and reject the bailout and since he failed to do those votes are still in play. I realize Virginia will be very close in the end and have no faith in this 10 point poll nonsense, but laso know that should Obama win Virginia it will be a wake up call for the 2009 race for Governor here at home and would expect that race to be one of the largest draws of a non-Presidential cycle.

  • Ed Myers says:

    Why is Wolf going negative with ant-Feder “She Crossed the Line” mailers? Is the race that close? It tarnishes his reputation and I didn’t think very many people in his district blindly vote party label.

  • P2P says:

    I believe Feder raise a HUGE amount of money, Wolf has me 8 donation letters, 6 of which I donated. Feder is a bit extreme, while Rep Wolf has and will cross the party lines for his district.

  • NoVA Scout says:

    I can’t disagree that all would do well to dispense with the “Taliban Bob” moniker. But it’s of a different nature that Frederick’s goofball Ayers ploy. Frederick expects voters to take him seriously. “Taliban Bob” is a rough joke from McDonnell’s political detractors. None of them is seriously suggesting that McDonnell is linked to the Taliban in terms of policy or theology. Being able to spot the difference between these two sorts of silliness seems analytically important to me.

    The big problem with Frederick’s effort to get something to catch fire for McCain in Virginia is that it bespeaks desperation and weakness. I realize that Frederick is very young, inexperienced and has probably spent too much time hanging out with fairly one-dimensional political yobs. But there are serious and important issues facing the country that can be presented to John McCain’s advantage. State Party Chairmen should be able to raise the level of the debate. By trivializing the contest, they pull votes away from their candidates.

    Based on John McCain’s life of service and sacrifice for the Nation, I consider him perhaps the best qualified Republican candidate for President since Eisenhower. (George Herbert Walker Bush is a close second). In a year where it seems apparent that the Democrats will make substantial gains in both houses of Congress, it is important that we not have a President of the same party as the majority in the Congress. Fiscal constraint and awareness of the pitfalls of special interest tax policy have been strong themes of McCain’s congressional career. These factor are enough to secure my support for McCain. I’m very concerned about his VP pick. That was a major error that undermines my confidence in McCain’s ability to avoid the political gimmick that compromises the interests of the Country. But McCain’s far more qualified than his opponent. We have to hope that he surrounds himself with good advisors and the best gerontologists available.

  • t says:

    The dramatic pick of Sarah Palin propelled pro-lifers to focus like a laser on achieving a McCain victory.

    Were it not for Palin, McCain would be 19 – 20 points down right now.

    Praise God for Sarah Palin, for Trig, and for the pro-life prayer warriors who will lead us to victory!

  • t says:

    t moans when good men like J-Fred are besmirched.

    Ps.55
    [17] Evening and morning and at noon
    I utter my complaint and moan,
    and he will hear my voice.

  • NoVA Scout says:

    Mr t may be right about Governor Palin being a net asset in the polling. And there’s no doubt that her attitude toward children and promoting life is admirable. My mother has similar views and I respect her for them. But there is no way that either my mother or Mrs. Palin should be President of the United States. By putting Mrs. Palin in the VP slot, Senator McCain created an unacceptable risk for the country.

  • P2P says:

    Seriously – praise God for Sarah Palin? I am certain the sales clerk @ Saks and Nieman said the same thing after the RNC dropped >150K on her newly minted non-hockey mom wardrobe.

    Sarah Palin is a joke and has the gaul to invoice the state of AK >22K for travel expenses for her family. Sarah Palin abused her power in Troopergate and she has abused the power of Trust for many americans.

  • Jose Kinusee says:

    t, #33

    Yea, praise God for Trig and the Greeks who invented it.

  • P2P says:

    JK – I praise parents of Special Needs children, being a parent is a pretty tough job. However the poll #’s are WAY down for Palin.

  • The whisper campaign ??
    We’re saying it out loud, dumbass.

    “hints that Obama is some kind of closet communist. ”
    We ain’t “hinting” at that either. He CLEARLY has socialist’s tendencies.

    If he wins in November, were off down that road to a deep recession as those with the money board it up for the next four years. I’ve already put mine away to keep my life’s work safe for that period. Many of my friends did the same. What is paramount to understand is that American business just put all of their liquidity away as well. There will be no new jobs, because those that provide them have buried the mechanisms that create them in preparation for a 4 year democrat fleecing.
    Obama’s inability to comprehend that corporations do not pay taxes. To understand that, imagine a house with two windows open across from each other. The tax bill comes in one window, and is immediately put out the second window where those that purchase goods from that corporation have it’s damaging effects glued to the bottom of their sale slip.

    Class warfare is all this loser had to offer. I’m mystified how it took hold in the masses, other than the fact that we’ve been steadily dumbed down. With Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so closely aligned with Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd, I cannot understand how McCain ended up being responsible in people’s minds for the mess that ensued. ESPECIALLY with a youtube clip of him offering his support FOR regulation and telling us what was coming down the road MORE THAN TWO YEARS before it actually happened.

  • Moderate R says:

    One of the fundamental problems that I see with the way the party is operating today is the focus on conventions rather than primaries. I was a delegate to the state convention, as well as my county and district conventions. I just don’t believe that the convention format is the best way for us to be choosing candidates.

    The type of campaigning that wins a convention selection is completely different from the kind that wins a primary. But the kind of campaigning that wins a primary is extremely similar to the kind that wins a general election. Throw in the fact that the convention deters moderate candidates who have angered the far right portions of the party from running, and our convention system provides candidates that aren’t representative of the greater electorate and have a harder time winning in a general election than they should have. Had we chosen our Senate candidate in a primary, I’m confident it would have been Tom Davis, and we’d still be in this race.

    We need to end the convention candidate selection process, get a statutory voter party affiliation registration system in the state, and start nominating candidates who can win in November, not just an ideological purity test in May.

  • NoVA Scout says:

    Mod R gets it.

  • Damn right they do.
    Oddly, Marshall was a victim of this in Richmond. He had a hell of a lot better shot at Warner than Gilmore. For instance, all of Warner’s attack material would have vaporized. Instead Gilmore has so much hanging out there, Warner will never run out of material to throw at him. And as has been offered, when Gilmore left the convention, he was not representative of the base.

  • Moderate R says:

    Monk, I don’t know about that. Marshal may not have been attackable on the same issues that Gilmore’s been attacked on, but he had zero name idea, probably wouldn’t have been able to raise a lot of money statewide, and he was so conservative that in this environment, he would probably have lost by the same margins Gilmore is going to lose.

    The only reason Marshall got as close as he did was because of the fact that the convention had a far higher concentration of hardcore conservatives than there are in the electorate and the party at large.

    Both Marshall and Gilmore were set up to fail by leaving their election to the convention.

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