NY-23, Party Affiliation Matters Naught

By Too Conservative

The NRCC looks to be backing away from Dede Scozzafava in NY-23.


  • Loudoun Lady says:

    This is the key comment of the article:

    “Our efforts on the ground give a voice to the thousands of voters in the district who believe that life, marriage, and fiscal responsibility all matter. We didn’t create these people. They were there all along, despite being ignored by the Republican Party,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List.”

    We have been here all along and it appears the sleeping giant is waking up the Rip Van Winkle party.

  • Brian S says:

    LL, you guys have been here all along, and I don’t think anyone has every accused you of being asleep.
    If Hoffman wins, great. If Scozzafava wins, great. As long as the seat stays on our side of the aisle, we can deal with the internal fall out later.
    My primary concern is that we win the seat and hold it. If Hoffman can do that, more power to him. But I don’t think he can. And, frankly, if I were a voter in the 23rd, I would be livid about the amount of outside money pouring into this race. I don’t like people who don’t live in my district telling me who to vote for, and I would like to think that I’m not alone in that regard.

  • NovaConservative says:

    Brian, I’m calling BS on you…now you’re saying exactly what I was saying a week ago. I recognized that Hoffman had all the momentum in the race, was winning independents and simply needed national Republicans (and by that I mean the party infrastructure) to get the hell out of the way so he could win.

    In the latest poll, that’s happening…Hoffman is up by 19 among independents and now leads about Republicans too. All he needs now is for the remaining Republicans to vote for him and he’d have a clear plurality.

    Its not a matter of outside groups telling people who to vote for—in the case of Hoffman, its a case of evening the playing field since both Dede and Owen had a ton more money.

    “More power to him” was hardly your message in the last few weeks. I’m glad you’ve come around, but I do believe you represented a prevailing line of thinking in GOP circles, and I’m wondering now that people of your philosophy may have backed Dede for too long and are switching too late. We’ll see.

  • Brian S says:

    NC, I still don’t think that Hoffman is going to win. But if he does, I’m not going to be crying about it. My primary point has always been that I didn’t want to lose this seat because of internal fighting between moderates and conservatives.
    Scozzafava is the nominee, and that’s who I support. But my primary goal is to not lose the seat. And that means either Scozzafava or Hoffman winning.

  • Loudoun Lady says:

    “The sleeping giant” is the conservatives, the tea partiers, the grass roots, the people that have dropped out of the process because of the direction of the Republican party. “Rip Van Winkle” is the party. Yes, we’ve been here, but now we are mobilized, pissed off and the party is taking notice. Waking up from a slumber is discombobulating, and the Republican party is a little fuzzy now but if we can get our shit together for 2010, we will be back.

  • Loudoun Lady says:

    Winning with Dede is not a win, it is In Name Only. Let her go her own way.

  • Brian S says:

    LL, you have yet to make a cogent argument as to how one single House member getting elected who isn’t conservative but votes with Republicans is worse than electing a Democrat. I don’t understand what it is about moderates that you hate so much.

  • edm says:

    Brian – The House does vote on other things than organization. Scozzafava has only pledged to vote for the GOP Speaker; and we have little to no confidence that she’ll be with the party on any other matter of substance.

  • Loudoun Lady says:

    I don’t hate moderates, I don’t want liberals in my party. By calling Dede a moderate you are insulting moderates, she should offend even you Brian!

    One single house seat? We have dozens of liberals with R’s by there names, and if we have to pick them off one at a time – so be it! It is a war Brain, each race is a battle. Sorry you don’t feel as strongly, but if you are the fiscal conservative you claim to be, you wouldn’t be backing Dede. And who the hell knows how she is going to vote? She’s not in office yet, but if she backs crap and trade, she ain’t no fiscal conservative!

  • Kevin says:

    According to Redstate Gov. Pataki endorsed Hoffman tonight… so even liberal Republicans are repulsed by Dede.

  • Ron says:

    Ah, everyone loves a winner!

    What is building Hoffman’s momentum among Republicans is that he has become perceived as the most conservative candidate who can be elected. Normally, such a person does not emerge as a third party candidate, but in rare cases (like in this one or the 1970 election of James Buckley to the U.S. Senate), it does occur.

    Loudoun Lady, your Rip Van Winkle analogy is rather appropriate, given that this is Upstate New York (even if it is the wrong part of New York). πŸ˜‰

    Brian, I used to agree with you, but now I do think that Hoffman has a real shot at taking this one.

  • Cargosquid says:

    If Dede Scozzafava was really interested in what is best for the GOP, she would drop out before the election. But she won’t. A win for her would be the same as a win for the Democrats. Conservatives have a win-win situation as they can point out that her positions are to the LEFT of the Democrat.

  • G. Stone says:

    “I don’t understand what it is about moderates that you hate so much.”
    Because they vote with the other party on major key issues.
    When she votes YEA on cap and trade what have you accomplished ?
    When she votes to raise the debt ceiling again and again what have you accomplished ? I could keep going issue by issue but you get the idea.
    The R after her name is nothing more than a way for her to run against another like minded leftist in the party she should be in, but was crowded out. So, she decided instead of waiting her turn in the progressive conga line, to become a Republican where she was assured she could convince a large enough group of party hacks who would not know a principled position if you stuck it up their ass, to support her.

  • Brian S says:

    G.Stone, if she’s the deciding vote on any of those bills, then you’d be right. But she won’t be. Because the Democrats have enough votes regardless of our opposition.
    You know, it is possible to take a principaled stance that you’ll vote for things that your constituents want. Apparently your definition of principal means “conservative” and anything less than that is just hackery.
    Fortunately, that’s not the actual definition.

  • G. Stone says:

    Remember this conversation when some flawed state party hacks nominate some dipshit like David Duke to run for office as a Republican, oh shit what am I thinking that has already happened. If it were to happen again, I suspect the rules will change in a New York minute and the R after the name will loose it’s luster.

  • Brian S says:

    G. Stone, nobody is perfect. I would hope that in this day and age there wouldn’t be any reason for “party hacks” to be nominating anyone – we have effective democratic processes for choosing candidates. I hope the folks in NY-23 amend their rules after this fiasco to stop it from happening in the future.

  • Dan says:

    Just as a point of information. When David Duke won the Republican nomination for Governor of Louisiana it was via a primary. He was not chosen by a convention or by a group of party chairs.

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