Stevens Miller just won’t stop….his campaign is now distributing doorhangers with the wrong polling place information in the Town of Herndon. Amazing.
Check out the doorhanger above from Herndon’s #3 precinct with clearly the wrong polling information.
Here is the state law a democrat passed on distributing incorrect information to voters: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?071+sum+HB1835
I think Democrats should join me in calling out these petty, and illegal tactics coming from a desperate campaign.
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Nov 01st by Too Conservative
Tom Rust has 36 hours to get the correct information out there, how is this done?
I will say it again, Miller is a class A Turd.
Unfortunately, it’s going to be almost impossible to prosecute him for this inanity. That “knowingly” standard is pretty tough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. All he has to say is his campaign screwed up and that’s it.
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Now, if he only distributed those door hangers to Republicans, that might be pretty persuasive evidence.
With all the false attacks the Rust campaign has launched this election (Carpetbagging, AUTISM, Taxes, etc) he recognizes he is in the fight of his political life it is not too far fetched to believe that this could have been placed on the door by Rust staffers to tarnish the Miller campaign because he’s ran a solid campaign and has an incredible GOTV effort in these closing day! Also, let’s remember the Rust campaign was putting notes on doors which tried to have voters believe Rust was at each door even though the hand writing on each note was so different it is laughable and an embarrassing.
DanielK, considering that you’ve been part and parcel of Miller’s attempts to smear Rust with the autism nonsense, it’s kind of disingenuous for you to attack Rust for trying to set the record straight. And what part of the carpetbagging is untrue? Did Miller not rent an apartment in the district so he could run?
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And yes, it is pretty far fetched that the Rust campaign would manufacture fake doorhangers for the Miller campaign and put wrong information on it to try and screw up your GOTV efforts. If that were the case, why not get the phone number to the campaign headquarters wrong too?
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I know it’s tough staring into the face of a massive defeat on Tuesday, but don’t go off the deep end and start making these kinds of ridiculous accusations. You’re better than that.
My guess is this is sheer incompetence on the part of Miller. And this is the type of operation he wants to take to Richmond?!? He needs to stay in school and finish his first term of political office.
Brian, I never said that the Rust campaign manufactured the mailer. Never noted that once as I just reread to make sure of it. I said it wouldn’t be so far fetched that the mailer was found or put on a wrong door and then bloggers spin it as law breaking. So since it’s not manufactured it can’t be an attempt to screw up the GOTV efforts but rather recognizing that even though the your statewide’s are running pretty solid in the polls that this will probably be the closest race on Tuesday so any little spin helps!
Also, you took the words out of my mouth, that would “knowingly” is very important as you noted.
Is this cross posted at Crystal Clear Conservative? That blog has literally made up stories all year about Miller. Miller’s campaign has been anything but incompetent. I think this was probably on a door in frying pan, or it blew off and some repub found it on the street. This is such an easy accusation to make and I think its comical how desperate Rust people are getting.
DanielK….boy, are you really this stupid, or are you playing a part?
The Autism debacle was a complete fabrication BY your boy. How is Rust responding with the truth and the facts a bad thing, again?
As far as planting those flyers to hang Miller….well, I would not be surprised to see the desperate democrats try that one first.
Why not at this point? They’ve lied and misrepresented Greason’s past…they’ve gone after McDonnell’s past with yet another bunch of desperation…what the hell is wrong with the democrats running on their positions? Do they KNOW that those positions will leave them outside looking in and thereby have to lie to attempt to get elected??
I’ll tell you a bit of good news. (for us) All this fabrication has galvanized our base and even turned off some of your own votes. Nothing I could type here would be closer than “you reap what you sow.”
Stick to one handle, Dan.
They LOVE (once their Mayor)Tom Rust in Herndon. You guys never really had a chance. Sorry.
I know who handles Percinct 3 in Herndon.
Highly unlikely that they made a mistake.
What scanner do you use?
“The Autism debacle was a complete fabrication BY your boy.”
Not quite. insurance coverage for early treatment of autism is not a personal issue with me, but I do know the legislative process to some extent
1. Delegate Rust did indeed co-sponsor Del. Bob Marshall’s HB1588 to mandate coverage for autism.
2. The legislation did “die” in the Commerce and Labor subcommittee
3. A “motion to discharge from the C&L subcommittee” was made on the house floor, and the floor motion was rejected 32-Y, 63-N, 1-A in a House floor vote. Autism folks believe that IF HB1588 had been brought to the House floor, through that “discharge from committee” motion, it might have passed. Delegates who voted against discharging from the committee include Tom Rust and this would be counted by citizens as Rust voting AGAINST the autism bill, which, in that respect, he did.
The full record of votes, as well as text, etc of the whole process is at:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?ses=091&typ=bil&val=hb1588&Submit2=Go
So it really isn’t a “complete fabrication” at all. It’s how people see it. Tom says they haven’t discharged a bill from committee for decades. SO WHAT? The fact remains, they COULD HAVE. So anyone seeking that type of coverage would certainly see voting against bringing it to the floor as a vote AGAINST the autism coverage bill.
Per “The Bulletproof Monk” on November 1st, 2009: “They LOVE (once their Mayor)Tom Rust in Herndon. . . . ”
Tom Rust WAS a great Mayor in Herndon, where the elected offices are non-partisan. Tom and others could focus on issues and actions to sustain and improve the town.
But he went to Richmond as a Republican, which means that he could function as his moderate self to start with, and has jumped ranks several times to vote as he know really best for HIS NOVA constituents, but mostly Rust has had to toe the party line.
BTW, we worked with Tom, respected him, and supported him for many years, but there is a limit.
Sure, there are many who agree with al his positions or ignore facts and “love Tom” but definitely NOT ALL OF US.
After all those years, we will be voting for Miller.
No wonder they’re desperate. The new PPP poll is out, shows McDonnell winning by 14, 56-42. The good news continues:
>>>It appears McDonnell will bring some folks along with him. Bill Bolling leads Jody
Wagner 54-41 and Ken Cuccinelli has a 55-39 advantage over Steve Shannon.
Additionally 48% of voters say they will choose a Republican for the House of Delegates
to 39% planning to vote Democratic.
“The streak of good elections for Democrats in Virginia ends tomorrow,” said Dean
Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “Republicans are going to sweep the
statewide races and the only real suspense is by how much.”
PPP surveyed 1,457 likely voters from October 30 to November 1.<<<
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html
AnnDe, as you noted yourself, this was a procedural vote on the floor not a vote on the underlying bill, and it didn’t come close to gaining a majority. Rust’s support wouldn’t have made a difference. Rust has already explained his vote and the explanation is still up on the website. DanielK was part of the group trying to spin what happened on video in the Commerce and Labor Subcommittee as Rust not participating in the Committee vote itself and not speaking up when he had the chance, and I and others have debunked that a number of times.
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That’s the “complete fabrication” that Monk and I are talking about.
AnnDe, If you are a long time resident you should no better. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see Miller is slightly unbalanced.
Thankfully it is not a Democrat year, Miller would be a laughing stock for your district in Richmond. You have been saved.
know better, not no better
Amazing that some continue to be dense enough that a: they really do not understand procedural flow or b: they know better but continue to try to miscommunicate the actual procedure.
This whole autism issue is so marginal and shows just how desparate the Miller campaign is.
Hilarious post and graphic at Virtucon about Miller:
http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/stevens-miller-wants-to-unclog-your-sewer/
Well Miller ran on far less residential and what does he initiate and got approved by the BOS far high density on a project called Fairfield at the corners of ashburn village dr and shellhorn and waxpool and the greenway. The kind of product the type of floor plans will appeal tremendously to families with children. And the proffer is widening a road to nowhere instead of curving waxpool from the broadlands into shellhorn where the ashburn metro will be not to faulkner which which is almost entirely built out. dumbest proffer I have ever seen.
Re the autism bill, Rust was one of 28 co-sponsors, including Poisson, who was absent for the procedural vote to discharge. Funny that he gets a pass, and is not being pilloried for being “against autistic kids”.
If it failed 70-30, I hate to break it to Ann but it would not have magically passed in the subsequent up or down vote. Sometimes issues take years to get out of committee.
danielk, if you are part of the law community, I find it interesting that you seem to be espousing the end justifying the means. So, was this teeny mistake (lie, but nothing new for Miller’s campaign) made by the out-of-district Young dems from the Progressive Kicks (Soros) fundraiser, the out-of-district AFL-CIO Working America “volunteers”, the out-of-district SEIU “volunteers”,…..
What a mess some of the Democrats have been in this election.
I guess most of Miller’s volunteers are coming from outside his rented District, just like nearly all of his money.
LI, Miller with a plunger is pretty appropriate, he is full of crap and will have to use it on himself after the election – otherwise he will explode.
http://leesburgtoday.com/articles/2009/09/25/news/loudoun_county/8599fairfield090209.txt
In this article McGimsey and Miller are quoted saying the fairfield proffer will help traffic get to the metro easier, well does anyone of them ever look at where this proffered road really goes????? it goes to nowhere to Faulkner NOT curving into shellhorn where the metro will be. Instead we will get another light at waxpool and shellhorn which will back up traffic turning right onto shellhorn way into the broadlands when the ashburn metro is up and going. dumb really dumb. ANd the increased density for garden apartments will appeal to families with children like I said before unlike the Kincora residential which will appeal to singles and married without children. Miller went back on his campaign promise to lessen residential that would increase more children in Loudoun and this fairfield projects stupid proffers will actually create a traffic nighmare at waxpool and shellhorn of biblical proportions once the ashburn metro is built.
http://www.loudouni.com/news/-dartboard/2009-11-02/new-independent-opinion-livin-local
Interesting opinion from the new Loudoun Independent opinion.
First time commenter (make of it what you will):
I’m in the outskirts of Rust’s district and as a lifelong conservative will be voting against Rust and for Miller. Not because I like Miller…I think the guy is kind of creepy. However, I’m simply unable to point to a reason why I should vote for Rust and his campaign has refused to give me one. Let’s take a bread and butter issue…guns.
This year Rust voted (again) to deny concealed handgun permitholders the ability to carry their handguns concealed into a restaurant that serves alcohol. However, he voted IN FAVOR of allowing retired police officers the same right…in the absence of even needing a concealed handgun permit. Last term he voted against permitholders while voting IN FAVOR of allowing Commonwealth attorneys (and their aides, IIRC) to carry concealed in the same restaurants…again, without a permit.
It’s this kind of hypocrisy that has to stop. Creating us v. them divisions, with the “us” being the politically connected, is shameful…especially from a Republican. Further, my direct questions to him to explain these inconsistent positions were met with first dismissal and then outright condescension.
Need I mention the abusive driver fees…..?
Rust deserves to be fired immediately. I have no doubt Miller will follow, but for too long Rust has treated his seat as a right, not a privilege.
This is rediculous as far as I’m concerned. I sure hope Miller is obliterated by Rust. Unfortunately, this means that he is back at the Board of Supervisors. If he wins, I’ve heard it likely that Kevin Turner or Tom Bellanca will be running for the Sup position. I don’t know if we Republicans have anyone that can beat them. I sure hope so…but wouldn’t it be great if we lose Miller and gain a seat at the Sup level?
John, I understand your issue with Rust, but do you really think that voting for the Democrat – someone who is likely opposed to your owning a gun at all, let alone having a concealed carry permit – is the best way to send the message that you’re unhappy with his stance on those issues? Sounds to me like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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While I don’t want to get into the underlying issues too in-depth, do you see the difference between a retired law enforcement officer or a comonwealth attorney and a regular CCW holder? I don’t think the distinction has anything to do with “political connections” and more to do with who is more likely to need the weapon for self-defense in those specific public places.
I consider myself pretty conservative, but if you’ve got a gun in a bar I want to be able to see it, so I agree with Rust on this one. I don’t necessarily buy into that VCDL shoot-em-up mentality, and I am definitely a gun owner and a CCW holder.
I can’t fathom why someone would vote to replace one guy with a guy he agrees with even less. I guess anyone can send a message, but do you really want your message to be, “take my gun, please?”
John, you do have another option, you can write in a name. By doing that you vote against Rust but not for Miller.
Anon…I’m right there with you. What kind of logic is that??
Pretty much openly demonstrating your inability to function properly in front of everybody, huh?
John, recall that Miller voted against contributing any funds to helping restore a vandalized statue on the courthouse lawn in Leesburg because “it was pointing a gun at him”.
If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Rust that’s your business, but writing in Ham Sandwich is 100% better than Miller.
Hey, look–I’ve written in plenty of candidates in my day. If you really can’t bring yourself to vote Tom Rust, that’s fine…but don’t perpetuate the problem by voting for Stevens Miller. That’s just illogical.
AnnDe, after all those years of Rust never making light of your family’s slightly out of tilt beliefs, now you want to tell us what is wrong with him? You are collaborating with a one-term mayor who wasn’t even elected with a majority vote (and is quite bitter) to have Herndon lose its voice in Richmond. Shame on you and John. Miller will never so much as glance your way after tomorrow.
As I said…it’s a two prong strategy. As long as Rust is in there nothing will change and the VAGOP will keep running him. Kick him out and we get a better candidate against Miller next cycle. Or is no one here watching the Scozzafava debacle?
Quite frankly, from a substantive voting standpoint I see no difference between Rust and Miller. On the gun issue…Rust is going to vote against me the same as Miller.
Brian: According to the law concealed handgun permitholders must demonstrate competence with a handgun as well as undergo a rigorous background check. The issue here is that neither retired police officers nor Commonwealth attorneys have to go through those hoops in order to carry concealed into a restaurant that serves alcohol. Why would Rust infringe upon that same right when we’re talking about a CCH holder…who goes through more hoops? In fact, there’s no prohibition against Commonwealth attorneys and retired police chiefs from DRINKING while carrying, while the law Rust voted against had the prohibition for CCH permitholders.
Anon, then I can mark you as opposed to allowing special classes of individual the ability to carry concealed in that bar? And as I said…on the substantive issues Rust and Miller are substantially the same (Rust consistently votes anti-gun too, that is for everyone except current and former government employees). Besides, on the base logic of your opinion then if you have a gun, oh…ANYWHERE…then *I* want to see it. There’s no special circumstance because I happen to be in a TGIFridays.
For the remainder of the comments…my strategy is to get rid of Rust by pooling my vote in with Miller. Splitting the anti-Rust vote with another candidate won’t accomplish that since Rust will still win a plurality. I’m voting for the guy with the best chance to defeat Rust, and Miller is it. I’m sorry if “bulletproof monk” thinks that’s demonstrating an inability to function, but on the other hand voting for Rust while pretending he’s some kind of “conservative” is pretty crackers.
Besides…it’s not like the GOP is going to suffer if Miller wins. Bob McDonnell is likely to have coattails in races across the state and I think the GOP will actually pick up a few seats. If I thought that we needed Rust to maintain some kind of majority then I’d probably hold my nose and vote for him based on the theory that he’d vote for real conservatives to the House leadership. But in this climate…throw him out.
Brian, one more comment aimed at your response…
I see no justification that the two elite classes mentioned above have a greater “need” for self defense, especially when state law concerning CCH permits is “shall issue” and need isn’t even statutorily recognized as a factor. Taking your logic…let’s do away with citizen carry altogether because hey, private citizens don’t have as great a “need” for self defense as some lawyer in Richmond, right? Guess that girl who got raped in Richmond to the delight of onlookers was a lawyer who forgot her concealed carry handgun. wink.
If the argument is that alcohol and guns don’t mix, as Tom Rust told me, then why allow concealed carry in those establishments for anyone? Rust couldn’t give me an answer and I doubt anyone defending him can either.
John, I think you’re reading too much into the issue here. Retired law enforcement, active law enforcement and commonwealth’s attorneys are all more likely to have to deal with threats to their persons that make it reasonable for them to carry regardless of the situation – they face a heightened threat as a direct result of their current or former profession. Your average CCW holder isn’t going to face the same kind of threats by virtue of who they are. The threats they face won’t be targeted, for the most part.
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Don’t get me wrong – I agree with you and I think Rust is wrong here. There’s no evidence that CCW holders go from being responsible law abiding citizens to crazed gun wielding wackos by virtue of crossing the threshold into a bar. But I can see the distinction between regular CCW holders and law enforcement and related professions. I don’t think Rust’s votes are hypocritical or somehow elitist.
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Like everyone else here has suggested, if you don’t want to vote for Rust, just don’t vote for him. But affirmatively voting for Miller in the hopes that he’ll win and then we can beat him in two years is a dangerous strategy. There are way too many variables and way too many other issues at stake.
I believe Miller has said he has a concealed weapons permit.
He also wanted a police escort out of the Loudoun government building but I can’t remember why.
Brian, you don’t know that. In fact, without even looking at VA crime statistics I’m willing to bet the vast majority of violent crimes are directed at private citizens and not current/former government employees. Even that aside, the mere argument that because someone *might* not face a threat is not good enough reason to infringe on someone’s rights. That you’re drawing a distinction is actually, by definition, elitist.
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I’m also explaining Rust’s votes using the explanation *he gave me*. He said to me he didn’t believe alcohol and guns mixed. The fallacy is that the law he *did* vote for had no such prohibitions for those favored groups.
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On your second point…my goal is to get rid of Rust, and a third party write in isn’t going to accomplish that…it’s only going to split the anti-Rust vote and that won’t accomplish anything. In my calculus, even if Miller hangs on after the next cycle it’s not any worse than the Delegate the 86th is stuck with now. However, in order to effect real change for my district, Rust has to be the first casualty.
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Frankly…Virginia needs conservatives more than she needs Republicans. Rust is not a conservative. He’s a “moderate” Republican who is a gift to the Democrats. He’s in the cadre content to keep State expansion going along at “moderate” levels, as if the idiocy in the national Democratic party doesn’t make the entire concept of “moderate” compromise a joke. I mean, honestly…what’s the “moderate” position on billion dollar tax increases and onerous environmental regulations…asking Democrats to keep it closer to $900 million…? There’s very little point in the VAGOP running people like Rust and then getting surprised when they’re always getting rolled like suckers.
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This discussion has proven (to me at least) that too many in the VAGOP view elections as results instead of starting points. I am not trying to say Republican candidates need to all march in absolute ideological lockstep, but I *am* saying the VAGOP needs to insist on candidates with a solid philosophical grounding in conservative theory and the ability to apply it, as well as explain it at least as well as an average commenter on a conservative blog. Rust fails there as well.
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In short, Rust comes from the philosophy that gave us Scozzafava. As a conservative I refuse to have my vote taken for granted by the VAGOP.
Tant Can’t get it straight!
John, Miller will oppose far more gun bills than Rust. This district is far too liberal to get a true right-winger in office. The district voted big time for Webb, Obama, Warner, etc., but splits votes for a well-known moderate Republican. However, if Miller gets in, it’ll be like tilting at the Arlington windmills. There is not a VCDL candidate alive who could take a Democrat in the 86th.
Under those circumstances, you have to ask yourself a modified version of the half-a-loaf question: is it better to have a gun you can take certain places but not all places, or is it better to live in DC?
Lee, Miller wanted police escorts to protect him at school and hospital constituent meetings. They also walked him to his car at BoS meetings.
Oh, I get it straight. Rust opposes the substantive bills that are important to me on the issue. Miller will do the same thing. On the issues where Miller will vote differently than Rust, there are enough conservatives in the Assembly where it won’t matter. Miller being in office isn’t going to usher in a DC-style gun ban, so that imagery a non-starter.
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As for the district being “too liberal,” that’s what the NY GOP tried to say when they put out Scozzafava. That assumption was blown to pieces. It’s long past time for the VA GOP to stop acting like bullied pre-teens terrified of the tiniest bit of confident self-expression.
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Funny that Anon mentions Arlington. Right now there’s a candidate, Aaron Ringel, who is quite competitive. The NRA has him at a B+, much better than Rust’s grade. And if Anon wants to talk about how the district splits, let’s see how it goes for McDonnell.
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Frankly, it’s not an extreme position to demand the same rules for everyone. If lawyers can carry concealed into a TGIFriday’s, there’s no reason I can’t too.
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Lastly…there’s a theme here that Rust will give me a little of what I want. I’m the first to admit that Miller is a crap sandwich. Tom Rust is a crap sandwich with a slice of bacon on it. Yeah, I like bacon…but it’s still fundamentally a crap sandwich and the first step towards getting rid of it is to get rid of Rust and get a better candidate in place for the next cycle.
OK, what the hell do *I* know about Arlington?!