Scozzafava Speaks

11 Nov 2009

Scozzafava Speaks

UPDATE: TPM has an interview she gave with Michael Smerconish where she explains her ideology.

She discusses robo-calls against her calling her a “homo-lover” and “child-killer”. Unacceptable.

I find her interview to be down-to earth and reasonable.

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Nov 11th by Too Conservative

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She’s just doing her part to help the mainstream media fill their template of showing how the GOP is torn in half with a full blown civil war…….as if she was some mainstream moderate. It would be one thing if she only differed with most of the GOP on 2 or 3 issues…..but she is in agreement with the left wing of the Democratic Party on ALL issues.

Quite frankly, I wish she’d just be honest and join them…..or at least just GO AWAY!!

Gnarly
on November 11th, 2009
Yeah, right. Where’s the audio? If this really happened, TPM and DKoS would have the tape plastered all over the front page, considering how they’ve been on this story.
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I could be wrong, but in the meantime congrats on perpetuating complete bullshit.

Cato the Elder
on November 11th, 2009
Why would we care what she says?

Lovettsville Lady
on November 11th, 2009
I posted this in the other thread, but you all must have missed it.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-05/the-purged-moderate-speaks/?cid=tag:all1
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95% voting record with Republican leadership in Albany last year, 90-95% over the last ten. 100% voting record with the NRA. Not endorsed or affiliated with ACORN, in fact she cosponsored legislation to defund them. Pro-choice and pro-gay marriage on libertarian grounds, not liberal grounds. And not chosen in a smoke filled back room, either. Also says she’ll never switch parties and has been a Republican for 20+ years. Most of the stuff people on here have said about her are unsubstantiated.
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Perhaps Gnarly or LL would like to find some substantiated facts to support their contentions that this woman is what they say she is.

Brian S.
on November 11th, 2009
The more I hear about her, the more I like her, and the more upset I have gotten at a segment of the party for how they treated her.

I wish people has stepped back, and looked at these interviews before judging her.

Too Conservative
on November 11th, 2009
“And not chosen in a smoke filled back room, either.”
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Well, I assumed any reference to smoke was just metaphor but every single report I’ve seen says that she was selected by the 11 GOP county leaders that comprise NY-23. So, unless your denial is centered on the matter of the presence of smoke, I don’t see where the references to her having been chosen in a back room somewhere are false. Care to clarify?
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I’m also not particularly disposed toward considering The Daily Beast as a reliable info source so I can’t say I find their statistics to be substantiated, either. Your NRA comment is spot on, however. She was considered a A, last I heard.
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You do seem to be defending her quite a bit lately. Are you rescinding your assessment that we were right about her based upon her actions of record the final week of the election cycle?

Ric James
on November 11th, 2009
Perhaps, Vince and Brian, you can apply the same standards to Scozzafava that you demand of her opponents. Surely, you’d just LOOOOOVE to post audio of those alleged robo-calls characterizing her as a “homo-lover” and a “child-killer”?

Yeah. That’s what I thought. Probably never happened. Another so-called “moderate” using the far Left tactic of assuming the posture of a victim when she’s only the victim of her own record and overblown rhetoric.

James Young
on November 11th, 2009
Ric, read the interview. If this were just a Daily Beast article, I could see the skepticism. But this is her talking, not them reporting. And while I still don’t condone her dropping out and endorsing the Democrat, given the things that were said and the smears made against her, I can understand why she did it. This was a Palin-esque level smear job, which is why I’m surprised Sarah Palin endorsed Hoffman. Having gone through that kind of a smear job, I would have thought she’d be unwilling to allow something like that to happen to someone else. But I was wrong about that too, apparently.
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Here’s what she said about the selection process: “There were four regional hearings every committeeperson or any Republican elected official was invited to come and listen to. There were eight candidates. Anybody could run for this seat. I was the only elected official. I was the only woman. We went through four regional meetings. There were hundreds of people that had the opportunity to listen to all of the candidates, and then they could make the determinations with their individual county chairs as to whom they felt were the best candidates. And after that entire process, I did receive the nomination, and the gentleman that ran on the conservative line sent me an email saying he looked forward to supporting my candidacy. We were all asked in many of these meetings, would we support the eventual nominee? To which we all responded that we would. So it was not a smoke-filled back room …”

Brian S
on November 11th, 2009
There was supposed to be a “crickets chirping” between those paragraphs. Don’t know what happened to it.

James Young
on November 11th, 2009
James, if I had the robo-calls to post, I’d post them. I don’t. I don’t know if those actually happened. Regardless, what HAS been said about her seems to be way off the mark from reality.
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I know she does have union support, so no matter how conservative she could be on other issues you’re going to hate her guts, but try and look at this from her perspective – she spends twenty years in the trenches as a Republican elected official and this is what she gets in return for it? Half-researched smears?

Brian S
on November 11th, 2009
The purpose of the above articles is to let you hear about her record, and not to come to baseless accusations that sunk her candidacy.

Just because Gov. Palin says something is true, does not mean it is so.

I gave money to Doug Hoffman, I supported Doug Hoffman. I am trying to be level-headed about the matter, and am fascinated by the race.

Regarding the “smoke filled room” comment. I am not sure exactly what happened, nor to I really know if it would make much difference. We all know that often local party leaders are the ones who chose a candidate via method of nomination they select. I.E. a firehouse primary, convention, etc.

Too Conservative
on November 11th, 2009
It’s also a tad ironic because usually the more conservative candidates don’t support primaries, they support party insiders, a.k.a. a convention or some other method choosing the nominee.

Too Conservative
on November 11th, 2009
I am for moderates but this woman doesnt have a conservative bone in her body. have no problem that is social moderate because i am one also, but she isnt even a fiscal conservative! she said she was pro stimulus and pro card check. and she called the cops on a weekly standard reporter for just asking her a question! and the worst part is that the GOP spent $900,000 and then she endorsed the democrat. this fail for many reasons and shows why there needs to primaries!

brittney
on November 12th, 2009
Has anyone verified her claims on her voting record, NRA rating and other conservative credentials she claims?

Let’s just say everything Dede claims is true, which has not been proven so far – she certainly didn’t do a good job of communicating her positions and turned around and endorsed the Democrat after withdrawing. How about a press conference prior to her withdrawal explaining why everyone was wrong on her candidacy? If she can’t stand up for herself, how are we to believe she could represent the good people of NY23?

Something is still not right about this race and I have a feeling it is the candidate that withdrew. Hearing someone claim after the fact that they would have been a “no” vote on cap and trade doesn’t really cut it.

Loudoun Lady
on November 12th, 2009
NY-23 is yesterday’s news. People need to look to the future and be thinking about the primary challengers facing other “impure” Republicans in 2010.
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I would urge everyone to donate as much as they possibly can to the Stormy Daniels for Senate campaign. Her candor is a breath of fresh air and she does not equivocate.
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A vote for Stormy is a true vote for freedom!

Dan
on November 12th, 2009
LL, has anybody verified the claims they were making about her? Honestly, she has no reason to lie at this point. Her career is effectively over. Her name is a verb now.
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I agree with you about the standing up for herself. The fact that no one saw any of this crap until after the election is unfortunate, but then again, the mainstream media didn’t have a reason to talk to her until after the election. If they talked to her before, they might not have been able to keep running their cherished “GOP civil war” stories and ensure the Democrat got elected.

Brian S
on November 12th, 2009
“A vote for Stormy is a true vote for freedom!”
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She’d make for one hell of a whip..

Cato the Elder
on November 12th, 2009
Pollster / pundit Stu Rothenberg hit the media on this race in a recent column, saying how inaccurate it was for them to refer to her as a “moderate” and that the correct label would be “liberal.” Rudy Giuliani likewise derided her as a liberal and that is something coming from him as he actually was endorsed by the Liberal Party in NY during at least one of his races. (He was complaining about just how far to the left she is.)

She was selected by 11 people as the party’s nominee — the 11 county party chairmen whose arms were twisted by the then-state party chairman. She can say that it was not in a smoke-filled room because of NY’s smoking bans and perhaps the room was not in the back of wherever it was done. But the sentiment is correct.

Scozzafava has also in the past run on the “Working Families Party” line which is the political arm of ACORN in NY.

Right now she is lying to save her skin and to try and foster a civil war within the party. Best thing for everyone is to simply ignore her.

Riley
on November 12th, 2009
Brian, What I am asking for is proof that Dede’s voting record is what she claims it is, and her NRA rating is really 100%. If her campaign can’t pull those numbers and stats to educate her district during the election to defend her record, and use the frickin’ media to disprove the claims that she is a liberal (not like there wasn’t any media interest in this story – duh!) – then she has no business being a US Congresscritter. I have a sneaking feeling her record is not what she says it is.

You keep harping on people spreading false information on her “liberal” record during the race, then she makes some claims in an interview on her “conservative” record, and you believe her hook, line and sinker. Where is the the proof of her record – whatever it is??

Loudoun Lady
on November 12th, 2009
Maybe it ain’t over Brian, and you can change your mind again on this race:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html

It appears the margin is much slimmer that originally reported and approx 10,000 absentee ballots will need to be counted. Slim chances that Hoffman can overcome 3000 votes – but hey, this could be interesting!

Loudoun Lady
on November 12th, 2009
LL, it’s unfortunate that you seem to think there’s something wrong with me changing my mind after I’m given new information that changes the context of my original thoughts on the issue. It’s also unfortunate that after providing evidence from the mouth of the candidate, you’d prefer to call her a liar rather than take it at face value that what you’ve thought and said may not be true.

Brian S.
on November 12th, 2009
Brian, it would appear that you don’t understand the rules of a witch hunt.
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Those making the wild and unsubstantiated charges are given the benefit of any doubt and are not required to give factual evidence to support the charge. A mob whipped into an emotional frenzy is all that is needed.
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The accused is given the benefit of no doubt and must disprove all accusations that the mob is predisposed to believe without any proof that they bear the slightest resemblance to the truth. One can’t expect the mob to do the tedious work to actually verify the accusations. That wouldn’t be any fun at all.
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Just like in the witch hunts of old, the previous life and record of the accused has no bearing on the situation. Many devout and good people were burned as witches. The fact that Scozzafava spent decades laboring on behalf of the Republican Party in her state means nothing to the mob. Don’t expect them to trouble themselves to learn of her actual record or achievements much less accept them. That would be no fun at all. Even something as easily verified as the fact that the NRA endorsed her is dismissed by the folks carrying the torches and pitchforks.
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While I understand the frustration she must have felt at the shabby way she was treated, her big mistake was in endorsing the Democratic candidate. If I were a Republican I wouldn’t forgive that either. She should have kept her head down and realized that in time the crazy will blow over and she might have had a future.

Dan
on November 12th, 2009
Why does anyone think Scozzafava would have won this race even if Hoffman wasn’t in it? Her ballot strength and campaign were terrible.

Nathan Wurtzel
on November 12th, 2009
Brian, I didn’t call Dede a liar, don’t put words in my mouth. I said she was a poor communicator and there was no proof that I have seen that her stmts are indeed correct. I guess I could turn the table and ask why you believe her without ANY PROOF that what she is saying is true? As for you changing your mind, you were for Dede before you were against her, and back in her corner. Do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around, that’s what it’s all about.

Dan, Your over the top “mob” and “with hunt” comments read like points take from a couple left wing website I have peeked at, without the cussing and wild eyed flair. Extra points awarded for repackaging left wing rants with a PG 13 rating. However at least you realize that endorsing the Democrat sealed Dede’s fate.

Loudoun Lady
on November 12th, 2009
Nathan, whether or not she would have won without national personalities and groups dragging their own agendas into the district for their own purposes is debatable. We will never know.
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The point is she was the Republican nominee and very much a known quantity based on her record. And there is nothing to support the fantastic notion that she is a leftist. Unless of course one accepts the definitions of some who comment here who would put Barry Goldwater firmly in the “leftist” camp.
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It will be interesting to see how often this plays out in 2010. Particularly in Republican primaries. We have already seen some pretty crazy things said about some very solid conservatives who are facing primary challenges from the fringe of the party. It should be quite a show.

Dan
on November 12th, 2009
Loudoun Lady, the woman has been a Republican office holder for years. Until recently she held a leadership position in the state legislature and was involved in formulating economic policy that most objective observers would fairly describe as conservative. It is hardly unreasonable that Brian or any other Republican would assume that her public statements were most likely accurate and truthful. Likewise, when some pretty wild eyed and incredible statements were made about her it is reasonable to think those same folks might want some actual evidence as to the truthfulness of those wild accusations.
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You are welcome to your opinion that my use of the terms mob and witch hunt are over the top. As a member of the mob I wouldn’t expect you to take a dispassionate look at the mob mentality that is at play here. It is something that is not subject to reason, hence the unwillingness to examine facts and evidence that might spoil the fun. It is something that will play itself out over time. No one is going to slow it down by trying to reason with it.
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This will be painful for someone like Brian who wants to build a party and put together a conservative coalition with which to govern. For me, it will just be one hell of a good show.
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Pass the popcorn.

Dan
on November 12th, 2009
Nathan (glad you’re back on here again), the only way she could have won that race would have been if Hoffman had never gotten involved. At that point, in a straight up fight between the Ds and Rs in the 23rd, I think we would have won.
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Otherwise, I agree with you. Her campaign was horrible, and the fact that she didn’t effectively counter (or even anticipate) some of the stuff that was said was evidence of a bad campaign.

Brian S
on November 12th, 2009
LL, there you go again with the “for it before he was against it nonsense.”
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When did it become a horrendously horrible thing for someone to change his mind? I would like to think that being willing to recognize when one has made a mistake would be a virtue, rather than something to mock.
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For the record, I changed my mind once, and that’s it. I defended Dede when it appeared she was getting smeared and supported her because she was the Republican in the race. When she dropped out and endorsed the Democrat, I denounced her for doing so. I stand by that.
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The fact that I’m now saying she didn’t get a fair shake isn’t me reverting back to my original stance. If she runs again, I wouldn’t support her because of her lack of guts and her endorsement of the Democrat, even though I understand why she did it.
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If anything I’m trying to be fair. I give her the benefit of the doubt now without spending a couple of hours researching her claims because she’s more credible than Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and others who had something to gain when they made the statements they made. She quit. She lost. She’s got no reason to lie about her record.

Brian S
on November 12th, 2009
You have never really made it until you have been called a member of the “mob” by a leftist. Talking points gratis of Bill Clinton, dispersed via left wing blogs: “Please use mob, tea-bagger, witch hunt, etc in your discussions, it is imperative we paint these so called constituents or citizens as unbalanced as a means to push our leftist agenda down the ignorant masses throats.”

What was really painful was working on the McCain campaign, the candidate the middle of the roaders said was the ONLY one that could win because the electorate and/or mood of the country was left of center. Crushing defeat and a dose of Hopey Changey will usher in a little reflection for all of us in the republican party. When the squishy middle of the Republican party agrees with you and RD over conservatives, and backs candidates like Specter (as long as they want to stay around with an R by their name) and Dede, it is time for us to push back. BTW, your indignation over Dede’s treatment is entertaining.

Don’t choke on the popcorn, sometimes it gets a little dry when you are crying.

Loudoun Lady
on November 12th, 2009
Oh please. I wish she would just fade into oblivion.

Ryan
on November 12th, 2009
Gnarly is correct. Scuzzifazool, or whatever, is just fodder for the anti-GOP anti-conservative media, which is playing up GOP divisions and the NY race, and failing to give much post- election coverage to the smashing Republican victories in virginia and New Jersey. Notice there’s been NO “lamestream” media, as Bernie Goldberg calls them, about Mcdonnell, Bolling AND Cuccinelli carrying very Democratic Fairfax County? Nor, the upset wins in the House of Delegate races. For four years, the Democrats and washington post have tried to demoralize Republicans by continuously saying we have a demographic shift in Northern Virginia. Yet, when Chris christie wins in Jersey, or a arch conservative like Ken Cuccinelli kills his liberal opponent, the Post and others in the media are just as flummoxed as they are with that muslim nutcase in Ft. Hood and their inability to call him a muslim terrorist. What happened in New york was a fluke. NY has always had a successful Conservative Party, and i believe, a liberal party, where losers of the Dems and Reps. can run on the other party slates. Scuzzbag is making herself look like a victim because she’s a liberal and woman, and CNN, NY Times are eating it up because they won’t stop until they destroy conservativism.

RABBLE ROUSER
on November 12th, 2009
If she got hosed as bad as some are suggesting, then she did one hell of a crappy job making her case. If this information and endorsements were around prior to her tanking, then what happened ? Could it be that her
“conservative ” credentials were stuffed in a closet for fear she would get spanked by an electorate she or her handlers thought might be shifting to the left ? Just a question.
If she was someone who was an acceptable conservative and yet was dispatched by conservatives, then she has a real disconnect with the electorate, her base and the media. If this is the case, she also has a real issue in putting together a campaign and staff competent enough to tell her story.

G. Stone
on November 12th, 2009
brittney nailed it. Some of you have convienantly forgotten that when all the fluff had dropped, the bitch endorsed the dem. That WAS her end in this party.

The Bulletproof Monk
on November 12th, 2009
“For me, it will just be one hell of a good show.”
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I’ll tell you how that show ends Dan, in the interest of time. In October 2010 unemployment is 9.8-9.9%. Interest rates, which somehow have de-linked from the Fed rates are on the rise. The dollar index is at a new low. A very frustrated electorate composed of highly motivated Republicans and disaffected Independents turns out en masse to cast their votes in favor of a ham sandwich as opposed to continuing with the incumbent incompetent Marxist crowd. The result? Why, it’s the same as election day 2009, it’s you and your ilk face-down behind a dumpster covered in your own piss.
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You see, it doesn’t really matter what travails the Republican Party has between now and then. We’ll overwhelmingly benefit from your gross incompetence, which is becoming more apparent with each passing day. Even Gallup has the supposed reviled Republican brand leading by 4 points on the generic ballot – if that number goes to 7% your majority is toast. Other pollsters applying a LV model have you even deeper in the hurt locker.
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Look on the bright side, though. I hear that yellow is a good color for guys like you.

Cato the Elder
on November 12th, 2009
“What’s a generic ballot” –Dan

LOL…

The Bulletproof Monk
on November 12th, 2009

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