SHE Is Inappropriate … As Any Kind of Conservative Icon

15 Nov 2009

SHE Is Inappropriate … As Any Kind of Conservative Icon

Can’t the conservative PR gurus do better than lightweights like Joe the Plumber and Carrie Pre-Billy-Jean??? Joel McHale gives her The Soup treatment after her ridiculous performance on fossiliferous Larry King’s show. Earlier in a segment they made fun of her for saying how thrilled she was when she “meeted” someone. All this from a conservative moralist with a sex video and implants. Again, can’t we do better? I know we can, but please, let’s get to it!

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Nov 15th by Loudoun Insider

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Tabloid post, but I’m sure this will get Dan, NJSM, and RD all crazy.

Loudoun Lady
on November 15th, 2009
Certainly tabloid-ish but my critique is right on.

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
A legend in your own mind, right LI??? Happy Tabloid Sunday!

Loudoun Lady
on November 15th, 2009
LL, this blog is one avenue for me to express MY opinion. Think of it what you will.

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
Geez, don’t get so defensive – I was teasing you. Whatever.

Loudoun Lady
on November 15th, 2009
It doesn’t matter to me what she says. When I look at her I don’t hear anything that comes out of her mouth. Yea I know….the feeling you get from climbing rope in gym class…..haha.

Gnarly
on November 15th, 2009
I don’t know why this surprises anyone. Liberals (like Loudmouthed Inciter) ALWAYS belittle Conservatives. It’s virtually the only weapon that inferiors possess against their betters.

James Young
on November 15th, 2009
I don’t care that she’s conservative. I care that she’s an idiot. And she’s speaking on behalf of all of us on the right. Does that not bother anybody? Why do you think she’s out there speaking? Because the media wants to make us look dumb so they pull out idiots like Prejean and Elizabeth Hasselbeck who look good, but know nothing to make us all look bad. Don’t play into it by defending her. LI is right.

Brian S
on November 15th, 2009
She’s not speaking for us, she’s speaking for herself. And at least she has the guts to say what she thinks. It takes no guts to cut people down who aren’t here to defend themselves. Brian, God Forbid that you ever get a platform where anybody actually cares what you say or think. You might say it perfectly well, in the grammatical sense, but mostly the content of what you say is horsesh!t.

But you DID hit on one truth: The left media chooses who to make “newsworthy.” And yes, they choose the imperfect people, because we are all imperfect. But even if the spokesperson is the greatest speaker in the world, such as Ronald Reagan, the media STILL called him a boob and an idiot and a cowboy. And simpering idiots in the Republican party joined in and agreed with them. Either fight against THE ENEMY, or get the hell out of the Republican party, will ya, moron?

John Doe
on November 15th, 2009
John Doe, if you think for a minute that Larry King and the rest of the MSM don’t use people like Prejean and Hasselbeck to represent the token “conservative” point of view, you’re kidding yourself. The fact that Reagan was attacked means little, given the fact that even his enemies acknowledge he was “the Great Communicator.” No one is going to say the same thing about Carrie Prejean. Nor should they. She’s dumb. Reagan wasn’t.
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As for the whole “fight against the enemy” nonsense, I do that every day on here and elsewhere. I thought you just said that Prejean doesn’t represent conservatives.
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Oh, and please. Spare the “internet tough guy” nonsense. It just makes you look like her.

Brian S
on November 15th, 2009
Loudon and Brian

Whether or not she has made mistakes in the past is not the question. She is not claiming to be the spokesperson for anybody. She is speaking for herself and she was tremendously disrespected for her opinion concerning gay marriage, there are many other stories of those who support traditional marriage only, as being labeled “intolerant.” Those who are truly intolerant are those who have tried to silence Carrie Prejean’s right to free speech. This does not excuse any of her past actions, and I think that she would agree with that statement.

Steven Osborne
on November 15th, 2009
I’m not saying she doesn’t have a right to speak. I’m saying when she exercises that right, she looks dumb. And when she’s out there sharing her opinion and unable to withstand any kind of questioning about her stances, she makes those of us who generally agree with her on that issue look like idiots too. I don’t like that.
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There are plenty of good looking Republican women who can speak well and can articulate themselves. They don’t tend to end up on Larry King Live or your average MSNBC show. There’s a reason for that.

Brian S
on November 15th, 2009
You have to consider as well, that Carrie was thrown into this situation. If she would have had her choice, she would still be a college student competing in beauty pageants.
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This goes to my point, this post should be attacking the media, rather it is attacking a young woman who has been trying to speak her opinion in the midst of a challenging situation. You can disagree with her style if you like, but it still is simply your opinion of her presentation style, it does not get to the point of the matter, and that point is that the gay marriage agenda will restrict freedom of speech as well as religious freedom.

Steven Osborne
on November 15th, 2009
So let me make sure I get this right: when the far Left and/or media demonize someone who expresses a Conservative position inarticulately, we should pile on?

That’s either a curious way to build a majority, or thinly-veiled aid and comfort to the enemy.

James Young
on November 15th, 2009
And by the way, she’s hardly an “icon.”

James Young
on November 15th, 2009
Whatever. I just wanna see that tape..

Cato the Elder
on November 15th, 2009
From some of the posts on this thread, it looks to me like these liberal media and entertainment types get exactly what they are aiming for with their shenanigans: angst on our part and then criticism of the performance of the person being interviewed, including use of the epithet “idiot” by those who may share the basic views of that person. So damned what about this gal? 99% of those on our side and 99% of those on the other side would wilt under that spotlight and make the same sort of gaffes. Aren’t we being the real suckers here when we oblige the perpetrators by throwing knives at our own?

Wolverine
on November 15th, 2009
It’s all a subliminal tactic to make Palin look better. The conservative movement never does anything without thought and prayer. This is a orchestrated campaign and is playing out exactly like we want it too.

BlackOut
on November 15th, 2009
Prejean didn’t choose this. Perez Hilton started a witchhunt of her because she HAPPENS to believe in traditional values and the Leftists piled on.

She’s simply been trying to defend HERSELF from that witchhunt.

She didn’t deserve it and she didn’t ask for it.

What this fight is really about is delegitimizing traditional values. The Left is merely using Prejean – who did NOT ask for it – as a vehicle for doing so.

Attacking Prejean in this situation demonstrates a truly gruesome lack of integrity. Yes, she’s imperfect. Yes, she’s a terrible spokesmodel for our movement (and I’d join you for attacking the idiots in our movement who asked her to be one, btw).

Rather than being complete douchebags and piling on a freakin’ beauty queen who simply answered a stupid question, though, we should be pointing out all of the other people (like us) who hold traditional values and question the morals, agenda, and integrity of the douchebags who are trying to make the utterly INSIPID argument that the opinions of a hard partying beauty queen represent the rest of us.

If you think about it for even a moment, the utterly ridiculous argument being made by the Left is the real stinker we should be reacting to here.

But, really, LI and Brian… you’re sinking pretty damn low to land a few extra punches into a bloodied and bruised beauty queen who was only looking to stand on a stage in a bikini and be asked if she supported world peace. Prejean is a distraction from the real argument and you’re feeding the Left’s falacious premise to even make her the subject of the discussion.

Recovering Moderate
on November 15th, 2009
Recovering Moderate….VERY well put.

The Bulletproof Monk
on November 15th, 2009
I keep waiting for someone somewhere to start up with the whole rant about how beauty pageants diminish women, and how typical that a victim of this abuse of women would be a far right wing nutjob etc etc.

Maybe it already happened and I missed it.

I don’t for a minute begrduge this young woman or any other the right to compete in pageants if they wish–more power to them, because they certainly have the assets to do so, which I certainly don’t–lolol.

Neither do any of them speak for me on any issue.

This young lady is probably as significant in the grand scheme of things as the blogger who set her up–”Perez” Hilton, the man famous for his breaking exclusive that Castro has died, before this latest.

I wish neither of them ill, but why do they BOTH get extensive airplay?

Barbara Munsey
on November 15th, 2009
I concur, Recovering Moderate.

Also agree with Barbara, Ms. Prejean does not speak for me on any issue, that I happen to agree with her initial answer to the question at the pageant is pretty insignificant. I am pretty sure Brian and LI agree with her stand on “Gay Marriage” as well, but that is just a guess.

Perez Hilton and the left wing nut media enjoy putting people down for all kinds of stupid reasons and they get too much play, which is why I deemed this “Tabliod Material”. On the heels of the “teabagger” hilarity! comments from LI I am calling it was it is – “stirring the pot”, and it just gets old.

Loudoun Lady
on November 15th, 2009
I’ll let others decide whether or not Ms. Prejean is an icon of or a spokesman for conservatives. But the idea that she was somehow victimized by Larry King is preposterous.
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If you have just committed several heinous felonies and are being vilified from coast to coast then you want to be immediately booked on the Larry King Show in order to get “your side” of the story out. The man has never asked a tough question in his life. He pitches nothing but softballs. There is not a less threatening venue on television.

Dan
on November 15th, 2009
Come on folks, this woman is an idiot and she is now trying to make some quick bucks and fame for herself. She wasn’t just thrown onto the Larry King Show against her free will!

So how do those implants fit with her newly found religious values?

She's An Idiot
on November 15th, 2009
Nobody asked her to go on Larry King. Nobody asked her to write a book. Nobody asked her to be a spokesperson for traditional values. She chose to open herself up to this kind of criticism because that’s the name she’s made for herself. She could have simply been the beauty queen who got attacked by Perez Hilton. But she’s trying to capitalize on what happened to her and in doing so she’s not helping us There’s a strong perception in the left and by many in the middle, that Republicans and conservatives in general are anti-intellectual. And when we go out there and support people like Prejean, we feed into those stereotypes. Honestly, there are far better spokespeople for “traditional values” than an unmarried immature beauty queen with a sex tape. It’s an insult to Republican women who have educations and can speak to values and actually live them. Talk is cheap, and Prejean can talk traditional values all she wants, but she’s not exactly living them.
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Barbara, to answer your question, the reason why people like Prejean and Hilton get airplay is because they create conflict. Conflict brings ratings, ratings sell advertising. Her getting upset and trying to walk off the set was bound to draw far more attention to her appearance on the show than if she’d just talked about it. That’s why they do that.

Brian S
on November 15th, 2009
I guess I just don’t get it–IOW, if TV shows are official opinion-makers, then I guess that explains last year and the OFA/twitter nation.

ARE a lot of Republican women losing sleep over this? (Seriously, is there some sort of official response?)

The posters here who seem to be most upset are men.

hmmmmm

Barbara Munsey
on November 15th, 2009
I see this event elevating her status in the conservative PR community. This “King” event can easily be twisted into a left wing prosecution. We’ve not heard the end of this lovely girl. I imagine she’ll be doing the talk show circuit for a long time. After all she has a message and people want to look at her as she delivers it. regardless of what she says, or how shallow it is. She’s absolutely rip to be exploited by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Rock on Prejean, you’re definitely the new poster child.

BlackOut
on November 15th, 2009
Some of you people are so over-sensitive! I am simply pointing out what She’s An Idiot and Brian point out above in comments – she put herself in this position to be ridiculed by trying to cash in. I agree with what she said at the pagent and think Perez Hilton is a nasty little troll (now I’m an equal opportunity offender, sure to get a rise from the Equality Loudoun folks!). But she is the one with a book now and doing the talk show circuit. She is no longer an innocent bystander, and with the implants and sex tape, she isn’t very innocent anyway! For God’s sakes, if this was some lib trying to push a cause with this baggage, most of you would be ripping her to shreds for her transgressions.

As Brian points out, there are plenty of smart attractive conservative women that we should be pushing into the spotlight. This woman (who I must admit I haven’t meeted) is not one of them.

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
And no love for Joel McHale yet? Damn, The Soup is the funniest thing on TV!

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
I wonder what conservatives are going to say when those 7 porno videos she made with her boyfriend – at 20 not 17 as she claimed – hit the web. You betcha. Family values and all that. Inappropriate claims by her are ridiculous. The girl wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked her.

And yes, the boyfriend is a slime as well.

NotCaliforniaGirl
on November 15th, 2009
Maybe she can make some new ones with fellow intellectual lightweight Joe The Plumber!

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
Don’t blame conservatives, blame the mainstream media which knows exactly what its doing by making people like her the voice of the conservative movement. Just like the WH campaign to make Rush Limbaugh the dominant voice in the GOP (which he is the first one to acknowledge that he is NOT).

NovaConservative
on November 15th, 2009
“Maybe she can make some new ones with fellow intellectual lightweight Joe The Plumber!”
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This would be pretty funny, but you’d need to get the name exactly right. Some that come to mind immediately would be “Joe and Carrie: layin’ pipe” or “Plumb her? I hardly know her!”

Cato the Elder
on November 15th, 2009
It’s just all so clear now. Especially with Palin being able to finally find a voice to tell what really happened to her and how she was shanghaied by John McCain. Her book appears to be amazing. I guess she wasn’t the stupid, naive, freak you out I might be President character we thought she was. Heck Oprah likes her. It WAS the media’s fault. They made her act stupid and say those things. Damn, no wonder Prejean calls her a hero.

Where is gutter Stoner and the Monk. Come on guys, it’s time to come to the defense of Prejean. There’s no difference here from your defense of Palin. I think those two names would be good on a bumper sticker, don’t you?

BlackOut
on November 15th, 2009
Now Joe the Plumber is labelled an “intellectual lightweight.” So, maybe he doesn’t have a Ph.D. Maybe not even a high school diploma. But, honest to God, LI, you are beginning to sound like a snob from Harvard Yard.

Wolverine
on November 15th, 2009
Barbara, I know it drives my wife nuts, that’s for sure. And LI, I love The Soup too. The wife and I watch it whenever it’s on. Wolverine, you don’t need to be an intellectual elitist or some kind of Harvard nabob to recognize when someone is out of their league. Joe seems to be a nice guy, but he’s not Bill Buckley.

Brian S
on November 15th, 2009
Brian, so what if Joe is not Bill Buckley? What is your intention here? To tell people like Joe to shut their mouths because they embarrass you and hurt your political goals? There are far more Joe’s out there than there are Bill Buckley’s; and the Joe’s have a lot of votes. You keep putting them down because they cannot enunciate their views as well as you can and you are going to drive them away. I recommend we dump the elitist style of chatter aimed at the Joe’s of this world and concentrate a bit more on getting those “preferred” spokesmen which you and LI persist in lauding out there to do some heavy lifting. But, when you have aspirations of being a general, you don’t get there by crapping all over the privates because you think you are smarter and better spoken than they are. Sometimes you learn something when you allow the privates to have their say. You also can earn their loyalty.

Wolverine
on November 15th, 2009
NovaCon, who is the dominant voice for “conservatives”?

edmundburkenator
on November 15th, 2009
Wolverine, when Joe stopped being Joe and became Joe the Plumber, running around trying to capitalize on his fame he became open to criticism. I don’t have a problem with anyone speaking their mind. What I have a problem is when the “speaking their mind” stops being something they do because they believe in something and starts to become a way for them to make a quick buck.

Brian S
on November 15th, 2009
Brian S, McCain exploited the crap outta Joe, he pushed him to be on stage.

BlackOut
on November 15th, 2009
Brian said it for me as well, Wolv. Of course we need everyday working men and women voices in the GOP. But I don’t think we should glamorize opportunists like Joe and Carrie. I think both of their 15 minutes of fame were over long ago.

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
The problem is that the far Left-sympathizing so-called “mainstream” media is putting her forward as some kind of Conservative “spokeman.” Of course, she is not, and — as far as I can tell — doesn’t pretend to be.

The concomitant problem is that there are plenty of spineless Repubmocrats who are perfectly willing to buy into the media’s false portrayal to give aid and comfort to the far Left because they are incapable of dealing with the nihilistic culture war being waged by the far Left.

James Young
on November 15th, 2009
The insufferable JY. I am fully capable of dealing with and seeing through the tactics of the leftists. Of course it helps to know where your side’s weaknesses are first. Conservatives should be running away from opportunists like this airhead, instead of rushing to her defense and trying to prop her up when she isn’t very prop-able.

Loudoun Insider
on November 15th, 2009
Well, LI, it beats me who is glamorizing either Pre-Jean or Joe the Plumber. It certainly isn’t me and it certainly isn’t either you or Brian. I cannot remember the last time I even spoke with anyone about either of these people. But, from the opening tone on this thread and some of the ensuing comments, you would think that one or both had been officially declared or declared themselves to be spokespersons for the Republican Party or conservatives in general. Oh, wait, I do remember where I heard either name discussed for the first time in quite awhile. It was here — on this very thread. And old Joe got dragged into the discussion with naught but a gratuitous insult. I’m still trying to figure out what the possible profit could have been from that.

O.K., so we Americans long ago caught the yen for trying to squeeze some dough out of our original fifteen minutes of fame. Eh! Doesn’t bother me one way or the other. I don’t consider myself susceptible to that kind of stuff. But what seems very strange is that, by reacting in the way, some on this thread have reacted, these moans and groans are playing into the hands of the chaps on the Liberal side who specialize in trying to turn this stuff against us. Ignore them. Most are playing to an audience that needs no convincing. I’ll wager you would have a hard time finding someone who is a believer in the sanctity of heterosexual marriage who changed their minds because of a sex tape made by Carrie Pre-Jean. We’ve got much more serious business to attend to. Let’s not start carping about things like this. Sometimes that kind of carping leads others to look at us and think: Well, maybe ole Carrie is a bit out it; but who the Hell do these other people think they are always wagging their finger at somebody else like they were God’s gift to the world?” Carrie and Joe will fade away in due course. Let ‘em go.

Wolverine
on November 15th, 2009
Joel McHale is hilarious, but basing my political opinions or taking “cultural cues” on his pieces is almost as absurd as getting them from late night weenies like John Stewart. McHale’s new show – Community College (?) really stinks though.
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It is interesting that Brian and LI are not only in agreement with leftists on this site, but they are “offended” by the implants and people voicing their opinions. I thought they were the big tenters? What is the litmus test guys, no implants, perfect talking points, no “teabaggers”, nothing sordid in your background? No wonder the tent is “shrinking” (sarcasm folks…).

Loudoun Lady
on November 16th, 2009
You’re over reacting, LL, and of course I don’t base my opinions on his show. But it is hilarious and that segment proves what I have thought about her from the beginning – airhead. I’m totally fine with implants, BTW!

What I’m trying to get across is that she shouldn’t be held up as any kind of spokesperson or example by conservatives. Wolv, I’m sure you haven’t held her up as such, but many pundits have, and that’s a bad idea IMHO.

Loudoun Insider
on November 16th, 2009
Wolverine, Prejean’s book announcement adds this particular gem: “and how she has been forced to battle the left’s double-standard on free speech and the bias against conservatives – particularly conservative women – who stand up for their beliefs.” She’s clearly trying to set herself up as a conservative woman exemplar, ala Elizabeth Hasselbeck. With this book tour, you’ll be seeing a lot more from her.
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LL, you’re ignoring the fact that the leftists all seem to think that people like Prejean and Joe the Plumber speak for conservatives. As for “litmus tests” there aren’t any. I think each person who stands up and claims to represent Republicans or conservatives should be judged based on what they say vs. what they do. I don’t like hearing Carrie Prejean talking about conservative values knowing she hasn’t lived her life that way – I don’t know many conservative women out there with multiple sex tapes. In the same vein, I don’t like hearing Newt Gingrich talking about upholding the sanctity of marriage, when he’s been divorced twice and left his first wife while she was recovering from cancer. The left loves to call us hypocrites because many of the people out there espousing these themes are “do as I say, not as I do” types. I don’t like that. She’s welcome in the party, but she should leave the advocacy for conservative women to Ann Coulter.

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
LI and BS are like a couple of beta male dogs. When another pack member starts howling, feeling the sting of liberal attacks, they pile on, then fancy themselves as tough and principled alpha males.

The sad truth is that nobody, EVER, would want either of those two chumps with them in the trenches. It’s hard enough fighting the libs and progressives, without having to worry about being stabbed in the back by one of your own sides’ bayonet.

John Doe
on November 16th, 2009
Brian, “I think each person who stands up and claims to represent Republicans or conservatives should be judged based on what they say vs. what they do.”
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I don’t hear Joe and Carrie saying they represent R’s or conservatives, I hear leftists saying this and you agreeing. Quite frankly, if we start kicking people out that have “youthful indescretions” we may be void of a party altogether. I’m glad you are so squeaky clean Brian, but you will be awfully lonely in your big tent if you keep applying unrealistic standards to people that speak as Republicans (not FOR Republicans). BTW, I have been speaking out against Newt for years, because he appears to have gone soft in the head. I don’t know anything about Carrie’s sex tapes, nor do I CARE. I’m not holding her up as some icon, I do defend her right to her opinion and not be maligned by the likes of Perez Hilton. You are in crappy company with him, but enjoy!
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LI, Besides Sean Hannity, who is holding up Carrie Prejean as an icon, conservative princess, etc? Glad you’re okay with implants, I’d hate to be kicking Conservative women out of the party because they have been enhanced.

Loudoun Lady
on November 16th, 2009
JD, you really need to learn how to express yourself without a thousand mixed metaphors. You’ve already said that Prejean is speaking for herself, so why are you acting now like she’s on our team? Pick one. You’ve been about as consistent as diarrhea in this thread. The only reason you even seem to be defending her is because LI and I think she’s an idiot. Take a nickles worth of your own advice and spend more time attacking the liberals and progressives than wasting your time whining about RINOs here.
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LL, nobody is saying anything about kicking anybody out. Prejean, Joe and whomever else want to be Republicans and want to vote our way, they’re welcome to do so. But it would be better if they’d leave the debating to the professionals. They’re not cut out for it. And I don’t know why you seem to think that LI and I don’t think she has a right to her opinion – of course she does. I’m not attacking her for her opinions. For the most part I agree with her. I’m attacking her because she’s a moron. And she makes those of us who agree with her look like morons. How hard a concept is this?

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
She speaks for who ? Did I miss the ballot mailed to my home ? I don’t remember electing her or anyone else to speak for conservatives.
Some of you ought to be ashamed for again being sucked in allowing those on the left to put the Kick me sign on your backs, yet again. When will you ever learn ?
Prejean or anyone else who espouses political thought right of center while stepping in it in any way shape or form, is automatically elevated to Conservative Leader, Conservative Spokesman or Conservative ICON by the leftist media for purposes of denigrating Conservatives. It is at this time when some of you having been hooked again, join in in an attempt to be perceived as cool, hip or relevant. It says very little when you allow those with the common sense of a load of gravel to have their way with you. Laughing all the way I might add.

G. Stone
on November 16th, 2009
BTW. With all of the very serious stuff being foisted upon us by the cadre of leftist ninnies in DC, not to mention all of the really important local issues on the horizon, is this what warrants serious discussion ? I know, I know, its a free world, freedom of speech, bla, bla, bla. Save it, it is tedious.

Your discussing someone having been interviewed by Larry King for Christ’s sake.This guy is three clicks below a permanent coma. His ratings on CNN are on par with the weather channel. Had the interview not been re-aired by a few comedy shows, no one on the planet would have known it happened.

G. Stone
on November 16th, 2009
Conservatives can’t have implants?

Anon
on November 16th, 2009
“I am fully capable of dealing with and seeing through the tactics of the leftists.”

Sorry, Loudmouthed Inciter, but I read that, and understood that you meant that you are “fully capable of applying and making apologies for the tactics of the leftists.”

You prattle on about a “big tent,” but clearly, people who don’t meet your intellectualoid (i.e., resembling intellectual) pretensions need not apply. My opinion of Prejean and her intellectual credentials — or lack thereof — is pretty much irrelevant. But neither am I willing to stand idly by while I see a self-proclaimed ally trashed by Leftists and Leftists-posturing-as-Conservatives alike.

James Young
on November 16th, 2009
She doesn’t speak FOR US, but she’s ON OUR SIDE. What is so hard to understand about that, moron? If you haven’t noticed, I only attack you and LI when you attack conservatives. [I realize that you catch on slow, if at all, so I typed that last sentence slowly.] You attack Jeff Frederick. You attacked Cooch. You attack Limbaugh, Hannity, anybody but liberals. If I thought you were smart enough to pull it off, I’d say that you are a closet liberal pretending to be a Republican in order to sow dissent. But the thought of you being smart enough to plan and actullay carry out any plan just makes me giggle.

John Doe
on November 16th, 2009
I am a Republican woman. I am offended by phonies like Prejean. If you believe she’s an ally then you are dumber than she. This woman is trying to sell a book and grasp onto her few dwindling minutes of fame. Maybe she can be a guest host on the View next week?

On another note, why the heck did Sarah Palin decide to appear on the cover of Newsweek in running shorts and sneakers? I’m not sure if this is a doctored photo or not, so please correct me if I am wrong. She looks lovely but is this how women should position themselves to run for President? Is she aware that she’s not campaigning for cheer captain or homecoming queen but rather leader of the free world? As Cokie Roberts said “”don’t take this person seriously…she’s just a chick in shorts.”

Its a sad state of affairs for Republican women who actually do have an education, successful careers and are active in their community and church…our spokespersons are stars of sex tapes and quitters who run around trashing the ex-boyfriend of their knocked up teenage daughter. Can’t we do better?

KPS
on November 16th, 2009
JD, anybody but liberals? I don’t have two front page stories here attacking Obama? Did he suddenly become a conservative in your book? If she’s “ON OUR SIDE” and thus immune from attacks, why are you attacking LI and me? We’re both on your side, but that doesn’t stop you from doing it. You’re a hypocrite.

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
Hypocracy! During the election republicans, candidates and party advocates like Hannity, and Limbaugh, lauded and praised the words and actions of Joe and Prejean. They loved it, propped them up and used them. Heck they even paid for their subsequent appearances. Do you really blame them for cashing in? I laugh now that gutter Stoner is trying to say they were created by “the leftist media for purposes of denigrating Conservatives.” LOL
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Oh I get it exploit the working class for altruistic gains until it’s not convenient anymore. If it works out cool, if it doesn’t it was the other guys fault and toss them under the bus.

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
Rock on KPS!!

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
Let’s just all agree that The Soup is the best of late night television and call it a day.

KPS
on November 16th, 2009
The Daily Show and Colbert Report certainly elevate everyone’s game. I’ll say The Soup is one of the best.

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
“I laugh now that gutter Stoner is trying to say they were created by “the leftist media for purposes of denigrating Conservatives.” LOL
You are as thick as a brick. Created ? read it again dipshit.
“The Daily Show and Colbert Report certainly elevate everyone’s game. I’ll say The Soup is one of the best.”

Why an I not surprised. You have always struck me as a guy who got his foreign policy info from the Dailey Show.

Go back into hibernation the world gets dumber every time you chime in.

G. Stone
on November 16th, 2009
Brian, I think Loudoun Lady has it knocked: this young lady has never been on a ballot.

She doesn’t speak FOR Republicans.

She can speak AS a Republican any durn way she wants–it doesn’t make it anything more official in reality than an expressed opinion under the 1st amendment–just like everything else on this blog and many others, I might add.

Is this as far as the self-slaughter goes in the victory celebration? I hope. Plenty of IMPORTANT things to focus on in the coming cycle.

How did McDonnell win again, exactly?

Oh, right, by harping on his school papers!

Barbara Munsey
on November 16th, 2009
Barbara, neither has Rush Limbaugh. Or Sean Hannity. Or Ann Coulter. Or Bill Kristol. Or 99% of the talking heads out there. Yet no one, on either side, is going to argue that they don’t speak for Republicans or conservatives.
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God forbid LI points out someone acting like an idiot and trying to make a dime off of conservatives.

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
I could argue that they speak for SOME Republicans or conservatives–those who acknowledge that they do in fact articulate their beliefs for them.

When the national or state parties or local committees do, then let’s talk.

LOTS of people act like idiots and try to make a dime off of ANYBODY.

For God’s sake, look in the organic dogfood aisle at Bloom sometime.

Barbara Munsey
on November 16th, 2009
KPS,

It is highly unlikely that Sarah Palin decided to have that cover appear on Newsweek, it is likely that Newsweek obtained the photo from the magazine Runner’s World, with whom Palin did a photo shoot in the past.

Steven Osborne
on November 16th, 2009
I find Joe the Plumber and Prejean to be more intellectual than LI…

Michael
on November 16th, 2009
Brian, You’re getting defensive all over something that, in the grand scheme of the party, the conservative movement, politics, life in general – means nothing.
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LI is (partially) trying to increase traffic on this site with quasi-tabloid posts, most of which should be taken with a slab of rock salt, and you are high fiving the message because Carrie Prejean is a “moron” and we conservatives better get serious – damn it! Then BO (black out) comes out from under his rock and chimes in that you and LI are righteous dudes for FINALLY understanding that the Republican Party is bunch of hypocrites, and you essentially agree.
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The only one making a dime off Carrie Prejean and “tea bagging’ comments is leftists that garble this nonsense and try to sway public opinion with their filth. Stop contributing to the nonsense.
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Loudoun Lady
on November 16th, 2009
Loudoun Lady, what say you about McCain and Palin using Joe and Prejean for political gain during their campaign? They elevated these individuals to national status with their attention and admiration.
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How can you not call it hypocrisy to now discount them as irrelevant?

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
LL, in the grand scheme of things, nothing any of us says truly means anything. So should we just stop talking? I don’t get it. You and others are quick to say that Prejean has a right to her opinion, but then get offended when LI and I express ours? What’s the difference?
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I’m not saying conservatives need to get serious. I was simply pointing out, as I said in my first post, that the media wants us to look bad so they choose people who aren’t articulate. Prejean is one of them.

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
Brian, so let me get this straight, you think that the media created the public personas of Prejean and Joe to make the right look bad?
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If so same question to you that I posed to LL. How do you discount what the republicans did during the election to exploit these individuals?

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
Brian – I see it the other way — when the media wants Rs to look bad they go to Dede Scuzza wuzzo, Olympia Snow, Specter, McCain, etc… the so-called moderates. The media will tell conservatives who to support by the ones they bash the most….Palin, McDonnell, Hoffman, Coulter, Rush… I doubt you would classify any of these people as idiots? Or does the moderate R have the intellectual advantage over conservatives? Please enlighten us…

Michael
on November 16th, 2009
BTW – LI went for the intellectual heavyweights of McGimsey, Miller, Burk, Buckley and York in 2007…so I take what he writes with a grain of salt….

Michael
on November 16th, 2009
BO, I think that the media continues to give these people a platform because they’ve demonstrated they are gaffe prone and make conservatives look bad. They’re easy for lightweight interviewers like Larry King to intimidate. Prejean’s comments were made after the election, if I recall. And Joe the Plumber’s fifteen minutes of fame ended when the election did. Anything after that is just gratitous. Other than a “where are they now” story five years from now on a slow news day, neither of them should be on TV at all, especially talking politics.

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
Nice spin Brian, but really….so as soon as the Republicans are finished with “using” these individuals it becomes the media’s fault if they continue to “thrive”. As for Prejean, I do think it was after the election, but the Limbaugh/Hannitys of the world loved her pageant answer and created the monster. Very similar to what happened with Joe Pipes. I have a hard time swing this issue to some conspiracy by the left to make the right look bad.
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BTW, I agree with you these lightweights are prone to intimidation and gaffs the same way Palin is. We all can admit beyond an political impact they are entertaining.

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
Also, Joe Pipe’s had way more than 15 minutes of fame. He was flown all over the place to join McCain/Palin rallys. They most of seen something in the chap to think it worth while to sponsor his exposure.

BlackOut
on November 16th, 2009
Brian, are you saying you aren’t mad at THEM, you’re mad at TV?

I may have misunderstood where your ire was directed.

Being mad at TV is a given–I have Howard Beall moments all the time, and envision everyone standing up….
going to the window….
opening it, leaning out and yelling:

I’M MAD AS HELL AND . . .

Barbara Munsey
on November 16th, 2009
I’ll take my political analysis from the likes of Buckley (RIP), Buchanan, and Will any day. Joe and Carrie are lightweight opportunists that should be ignored. Why is this so hard for some of you to understand?

Loudoun Insider
on November 16th, 2009
I’m annoyed at both, Barbara. Larry King for bringing her on, and Prejean for acting dumb.

Brian S
on November 16th, 2009
I don’t think it’s that people don’t understna dwhat you’re saying.

It may be failing to understand the depth of the commitment to being annoyed by it.

Yes, water is wet, sky is blue, and so on.

I can’t believe this is the biggest thing there is to BE reiterating annoyment with.

Do we WANT to be braindead twitter-nation politibots?

That is where I might place a statistically significant percentage of people who might be convinced that the former Miss California is the spokesperson for all that is conservative because it was on some TV shows.

I myself think that’s PART of why the Democratic ticket lost so resoundingly–nobody sent the 2008 facetwitterbookbots the timely personal pings to go vote for a,b,c on Tuesday the 3rd.

Barbara Munsey
on November 16th, 2009
I finally got to read through the many comments today. John Doe, you are a flaming asshole. As Brian pointed out, both of us regularly bash Dems – see my post below that only got 5 comments. You didn’t chime in there. I will continue to express my annoyance at dimwit conservatives like Carrie Prejean and John Doe.

Loudoun Insider
on November 16th, 2009
Well, by golly, it’s sure a good thing that no one in Virginia ever heard about Carrie Pre-Jean or Joe the Plumber before the 3 November election. Might have wiped out the entire Republican slate. Imagine, Bob McDonnell sabotaged by some sex tapes and a breast enhancement.

And now Joel McHale seems to have received a promotion to late-night opinion guru of the television screen. Funny. He looks to me like a kid who is headed to the eighth-grade dance at Paducah Junior High, wearing a hand-me-down suit from his father and carrying an emergency tube of Clearasil in his pocket. Well, that’s an improvement over Larry King, who must crawl out of a mummy sarcophagus every night to give us the benefit of…the benefit of… the benefit of…. Oh, heck, I can’t think of anything to end that sentence.

Wolverine
on November 16th, 2009
you did just fine, wolverine–lolol

Barbara Munsey
on November 16th, 2009
Very funny, Wolv! I cannot stand Larry King, by the way. Joel does dress a bit funny with the skinny ties and such, but is a master of the delivery. No one sells a bit like he does!

Loudoun Insider
on November 16th, 2009
Gee whiz, guys, she’s just some pageant lady. The “conservative” stuff is just schtick to keep in the public eye. Don’t confuse any of this with real political philosophy (a few of you can’t help it, but we know who you are). The number of media personalities (even if just for a few days) who find our pop-conservative elements an easy vein to be mined is growing by the day. They know there are suckers born every minute. (wish that were an original phrase). And as Mencken foresaw, no one is ever going to go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. That’s why people like Beck, Dobbs, Palin, Hannity, and even this insignificant young blond lady who makes porno tapes but who now is a momentary political commenter can hold a non-trivial number of people in thrall despite evidence that they have nothing of substance to offer. I think I could dress James Carville up in a gorilla suit, call him a “conservative”, have him mouth a few platitudes, and he could hold a rapturous crowd of viewers on Fox for weeks on end, even without disguising his distinctive Louisiana speech patterns.

NoVA Scout
on November 16th, 2009
Oh, come on, NoVa Scout, Carville already does mesmerizing schtick for Liberals on shows like Meet the Press — without the gorilla costume, I might add. Besides, I’ve never in my life seen a gorilla with eyes like a snake. In the interest of equal time, can we add the likes of Matthews, Maddow, Olbermann, and Jon Stewart to your wall of fame? They’re all in the same business playing the same game. To paraphrase that old Senator from South Carolina: “There’s a whole lot of talkin’ go on out there!” Come to think of it, that gorilla costume might work with Robert Gibbs. Sure would improve the press briefings.

Wolverine
on November 16th, 2009
NoVa Scout is correct.
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The populist right is fascinated by shiny objects, political snake oil salesmen, and fake facts — just like the populist left.

Edmundburkenator
on November 17th, 2009
Ed
Welcome back. How is that Hopey Changey thing working out for ya ?

G. Stone
on November 17th, 2009
“BTW – LI went for the intellectual heavyweights of McGimsey, Miller, Burk, Buckley and York in 2007…so I take what he writes with a grain of salt….”

Those having chose this slate should choke themselves.

G. Stone
on November 17th, 2009
NoVa Scout is correct.
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The populist right is fascinated by shiny objects, political snake oil salesmen, and fake facts — just like the populist left.

Edmundburkenator
But the real left, the leftist left , the cadre of elite progressives seem to have it just right, huh ED.
I would have thought the rapid rate of Hopey Changeys decline and the realization by voters for a needed political do over, would have had you submerged into a much deeper political hibernation.

G. Stone
on November 17th, 2009
Gutter Stoner, actually LI opposed the ridiculous and sometimes corrupt cabal of Tulloch, Snow, Clem and Staton. Which is very different than “going for” McGimsey, Miller, Burk, and Buckley. BTW, so did the majority of voters. I am surprised you forgot that, as I am sure it was a stinging defeat for you and the rest of the minority. In most cases, those you mentioned were in the right place at the right time.

BlackOut
on November 17th, 2009
That minority has roared back as a majority BO, did you see the election results from 2 weeks ago today?
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Miller, McGumsey and Buckley have an uphill battle and the upcoming budget wars are going to be VERY interesting. I can’t wait to hear Buckley talk the talk on budget cuts, then fall over from not being able to walk the walk. Siding with Hatrick year after year is becoming a political liability, because the bloom is off the rose.

Loudoun Lady
on November 17th, 2009
BO

….McGimsey, Miller, Burk, and Buckley….

How are these 4 working out for ya ?

Anyone care to chime in as to what a great job this group is doing ?

G. Stone
on November 17th, 2009
A hell of a lot less damage than if the old cats had been re-elected. I’d wish for the same results every time. You see gutter Stoner, not everything is always so clear cut as you like to see things.

BlackOut
on November 17th, 2009
BO

Given your fogged outlook and head injuries you are correct things are never very clear.

G. Stone
on November 17th, 2009
G, you have become much more shrill. Did you miss an effigy-burning or something?
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While I have you, is half a good idea still a good idea?

Edmundburkenator
on November 17th, 2009
Not that anyone would want to engage in highly personal attacks or anything.
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It is such a shame to see a thread on such a weighty matter — a beauty pageant contestant who got into a dispute over the money the pageant lent her to pay for her fake boobs but had to settle quickly when her sex tape surfaced (btw, she signed a pageant form swearing there were no nekkid pictures of her out there) but who in the meantime became the darling of social conservatives because they liked her answer to a question asked by a ditzy gay beauty pageant judge — deteriorate into personal attacks.
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Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ!
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THIS is the thread that gets all the comments?
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And this young opportunist is the best these people can come up with for a hero?
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I thank God that in his infinite wisdom he saw fit to give us whiskey. We are gonna need a lot of it.

Dan
on November 17th, 2009
Dan, darn right, whiskey for the house! As I can assure you we’ll soon be hearing gutter Stoner praising the virtues of the reincarnated kinder gentler I’ll only talk to people who like me as I cash in, Palin. I see a lot of similarities between Palin and Prejean. Now we can sit back sip on free whiskey and watch history be re-written by and for the benefit of the zealots.

BlackOut
on November 17th, 2009
Dan and BO, Why don’t you take your whiskey and Prejean sex tapes and have a party? Sounds like your level of entertainment.

Edmund, Where have you been hiding? Are your eyes still all puffy from the election 2 weeks ago? Don’t worry, you had 6 months of good vibrations from Hopey Changey, hold on to that feeling cause it’s going to have to sustain you for a number of years.

Loudoun Lady
on November 17th, 2009
LL, good to see you haven’t altered your online persona while I was away.

Edmundburkenator
on November 17th, 2009
Edmund, you haven’t missed anything. Same, same but different.

BlackOut
on November 17th, 2009
Can some of you stop reliving the last election? The bums were thrown out. Obviously some of the new crew needs the same treatment. One of these days we’ll get a majority of competent ethical individuals on the BOS. And the School BOard.

Loudoun Insider
on November 17th, 2009
Loudoun Lady, don’t blame me. Prejean is your hero. I can’t control your low standards.

Dan
on November 17th, 2009
Blackout, why did you have to bring up Palin? Now there will be about 100 comments asserting that she is the greatest statesman since Winston Churchill, but that her greatness is obscured by her being victimized by being asked softball questions by a twinkie reporter.
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Never mind that it was the giant chip she carries on her shoulder that prevented her from recognizing softballs that any first time candidate for town council could have hit out of the park. She is a victim, man! If you don’t believe it just listen to her. It is damn near all she ever talks about. When she isn’t too busy trashing the very people who plucked her from obscurity and were doing their level best to help her navigate waters for which she was woefully unprepared.

Dan
on November 17th, 2009
Not Churchill. Thatcher.
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Right G?

Edmundburkenator
on November 17th, 2009
Dan, You obviously don’t read very well – look above and learn about my thoughts on Prejean.
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Also, your Palin Derangement Syndrome is flaring up, put a pad on it – no one really cares about your Palin barbs.

Loudoun Lady
on November 17th, 2009
>>>Dan, darn right, whiskey for the house!<<<

And beer for the horses!

Lovettsville Lady
on November 17th, 2009
Oh sorry. I live in Western Loudoun where we don’t pay taxes and don’t know how to behave.

Lovettsville Lady
on November 17th, 2009
Loudoun Lady, you completely misunderstand me. I love Palin. It is my sincere hope that she is the Republican nominee for president in 2012. I have written to her encouraging her to run. I hope you will do the same.
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I believe Sarah Palin is a rogue in the truest sense of the word.

Dan
on November 17th, 2009
LI, you sneaky devil you!! 110 posts for a gal named Carrie Prejean. You even got the Burkenator to put down his brandy snifter and rejoin the fray!

Wolverine
on November 17th, 2009
BlackOut, re the current group of VLF BoS? Interesting item today at the BoS meeting.

Did you see the Board member initiative to ask the GA to allow the BoS to overrule the zoning on the route 28 tax district?

Some of the language in Mr. Burton’s initiative sounded great (always does, doesn’t it? lol) about how the planning doesn’t jive with the zoning, and the BoS’ hands are tied in trying to bring the two closer together.

Then the bell rang–he wants the BoS to “get its power back”. Funny, lots of county longtimers (Bradley at the Indy, Stilson Greene at L2D) in journalism have been noticing that whole power thing lately. Seems to be a current affliction right from the top of the fed on down to our own little county.

At the risk of firing up Lee, what’s under discussion over on 28? Why, increased density. You know, that stuff that’s really really bad? At least when you’re campaigning?

I’m not arguing for or against it.

But I think any reopening of that tax district better make damn sure the county doesn’t get stuck for the bill for all those bonded interchanges it enabled (some of the only roads being built, btw, other than profferred ones), and as always, I find it hilarious that the slow/no/sensible/smart/sustainable growth people always seem to have as their number one strategy increasing density as far east as it will go, new packaging, redevelopment, stack it up.

Central planning, works EVERY time! Interesting to see what will happen with this.

Barbara Munsey
on November 17th, 2009
Dan, Please seek care for your unusual obsession with Sarah Palin, it is not normal.

Loudoun Lady
on November 18th, 2009
Loudoun Lady, it would seem you are obsessed with me. Is it really so hard for you to imagine that the whole world doesn’t agree with you on everything and that, observing Sarah Palin, most Americans would not view her as a credible president?
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Ms. Palin is everywhere in the popular media at the moment just as Ms. Prejean is. It is inescapable unless one chooses to repair to a cave and become a hermit. But, unlike Ms. Prejean, Palin has relevance. The heavy betting is that Palin will run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. And some with proven track records (notably Nate Silver)are betting at this early juncture that she will win that nomination. That certainly makes her much more worthy of discussion than Prejean. Palin has the potential to, for good or ill, continue to influence events.

Dan
on November 18th, 2009
Barbara, please stick to the topic!!!

Loudoun Insider
on November 18th, 2009
“Oh sorry. I live in Western Loudoun where we don’t pay taxes and don’t know how to behave.”
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Lovettsville Lady, you never should have let all those “come heres” settle in the Eastern part of your county. Now it is too late to put the genie back in the bottle.
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On a positive note, the bottle can be used to store whiskey.

Dan
on November 18th, 2009
G, you have become much more shrill. Did you miss an effigy-burning or something?
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Actually I haven’t. It just seems that way when I converse with BO. I am not even sure why I waste my time, it is a bit silly.

G. Stone
on November 18th, 2009
Oh so now I am the reason that gutter Stoner is a shrill! No one can cause that level of animosity, I think it’s inbred.

BlackOut
on November 18th, 2009
Sorry LI, I was responding to a comment.

Dan, Lovettsville Lady may very well be a come here herself, who knows. The majority of current Loudoun residents didn’t live here 10 years ago.

The county has a terminal case of “last house on the block” syndrome, started apparently by the first come heres, who are often MUCH better than later come heres, and sometimes MUCH worse than others.

It all depends on if you moved to the right kind of house for the right reasons, and changes periodically, depending on where the policital demographics fall any given year.

Barbara Munsey
on November 18th, 2009
ooops, sorry LI–off topic again.

Does it count if the subject and the object tend to both vote Republican?

Barbara Munsey
on November 18th, 2009
Barbara, in some areas of Virginia those who arrived thirty years ago are still considered come heres.
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Years ago, after just having moved to North Carolina, my wife’s cousin was introduced to an elderly woman whose response on hearing her last name was, “That’s not a Pitt County name”. Apparently in some places it takes multiple generations to shed the stigma of being a come here.

Dan
on November 18th, 2009
It seems to be the same here Dan, but funny, some of the old names who were here since before it was a county (who sold the land to the subsequent crops of gate-keepers) were pretty welcoming. Still are.

LI, maybe the way it relates is that no one person defines the party, just as no one person or group defines the county.

Barbara Munsey
on November 18th, 2009
G, do I detect introspection?
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There is hope.

Edmundburkenator
on November 18th, 2009
Ed

Check your detector.

G. Stone
on November 18th, 2009
Haha… my bad. I should have known better.

Edmundburkenator
on November 18th, 2009
So this is what they mean by “The Song That Never Ends”! The next thing you know, LI will try to keep it going by claiming he has gotten his hands on some of Carrie’s sex tapes.

Wolverine
on November 18th, 2009
How did you know, Wolv??? I’m holding out for the highest bidder!

Loudoun Insider
on November 18th, 2009
As a family values conservative with bolt on boobs who has performed in sex tapes Ms. Prejean would be a natural to work in the Stormy Daniels for Senate campaign.

Dan
on November 18th, 2009
Dan, in the unusual names for candidates category, is it true that the progressives have a candidate for next year named Krystal Ball?

Barbara Munsey
on November 18th, 2009
“Bolt on boobs” Now I’ve heard everything. Oh,the miracles of modern medicine!

Wolverine
on November 18th, 2009
Barbara, I thought you were kidding until I used the googles to investigate. It would seem that a young woman named Krystal Ball is indeed running in VA-1.

Dan
on November 19th, 2009
Dan, lots of people think I’m always kidding.

Can we assume she’ll get the New Age vote?

Will she NEED to spend on polling?

(those WERE kidding, btw)

lol

Barbara Munsey
on November 19th, 2009
Apparently she likes her name because that is her maiden name and she kept it after her marriage. It isn’t a name people will be likely to forget.

Dan
on November 19th, 2009
She is savvy enough to have scored an interview on The Young Turks. She’s a CPA and business owner.

Dan
on November 19th, 2009
I like the New Age joke. She seems pretty down to earth though. Not that the granola munching new age folks aren’t.
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I wouldn’t touch the polling joke with a ten meter cattle prod.

Dan
on November 19th, 2009
I read about her on Blue Virginia, and I’m not always sure when THEY’RE kidding.

She does sound articulate, and has an interesting story.

She also sounds like she’s been drafted from OFA.

Why don’t you like the polling joke?

She could save on lit with the New Age folks too–if they have their OWN crystal balls….

Barbara Munsey
on November 19th, 2009

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