Let me start out by saying that I cannot stand Hillary Clinton. But the Dems would have been much better off strategically if they had picked Hillary to be their nominee. There was no way any GOP candidate was going to win that election with GWB hanging around their necks. Hillary would have won and certainly would have governed more to the center than Obama has. Sure she had her own brush with nationalizing health care, but I think more than anything she is savvy and learned from her experience. For all the grief people gave her for having no real experience, she certainly was a major player in her husband’s administration. Even though I am no Bill Clinton fan by any means, he did govern well from the center and remains popular, even with his flaws. Obama’s inexperience has shown through time and time again and he seemingly has lost any bit of political common sense he once seemingly exhibited. The economy continues to stagnate and the citizenry is increasingly blaming that on Obama and the Dems in general. I honestly think Hillary would have done a better job at handling nearly all of the challenges facing Obama. Obama promised too much and is proving himself overmatched, and that is going to continue to take its toll on the Dems, especialy in the midterm 2010 elections. “Change” is taking on a whole new meaning now!
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Nov 20th by Loudoun Insider
I could deal with Hillary over O for 3 more years, Obama is tough to stomach on a daily basis…2010 can not come soon enough.
I gotta say, I’d feel a lot better on the national security front if Hillary were POTUS – the lady has huge brass balls.
First off, we’d be nowhere near the bold turnaround that is sweeping the country. Obama was the exact pill (much as Carter ver 1.0 was) needed at this exact time to turn independents around in a 60% to 37% bias FOR REPUBLICANS.
Hillary is no centrist. She waffles in and out of left circles with a fixed eye on her percieved stances. Had she actually beat out Obama, she too would have taken a sharp left turn, because she didn’t have to put on a show anymore. Don’t think so? You’re fooling yourself. I’ve watched her for years. She is very skilled at hiding her true agenda until she reaches a point where it won’t hurt her later. Trust me, the lady has one or two more runs in her and she is covering her true intent until she gets in to an office where she’s reached the brass ring and it won’t matter anymore.
BM, I will leave some extra tin-foil for your next hat at the intersection of Taylorstown Road and Lovettsville Road.
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LI, have you seen the polls in comparison to Reagan’s first year? Eerily similar.
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Try it out:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm
Edmundburkenator, the same site seems to show Carter having similar trend lines to Obama’s. Whatever the meaning of that, hopefully it doesn’t mean a neo-80’s revival.
Look at Clinton’s. He got two terms.
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I think just says the first year is usually can be about expectations and not being able to meet them.
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It’s a long haul.
so Webb & Warner are both going to vote for cloture so the Senate can debate socialized medicine. and then, I bet you anything, they will do exactly what Harry Reid & Obama want them to do–vote for it.
$1 trillion added to our debt.
I’ve thought about this and while I agree that Hillary has a set that Obama is missing, I tend to agree with Monk. She mimicks according to circumstances, and with a similar congressional make-up I think she could have been just as dangerous. I doubt congress would have been as lopsided since the (misguided) Obama wave was overwhelming, but Clinton still would have had a majority.
If Obama’s numbers are in the tank in late 2010/early 2011 and the country is going to hell in a hand basket economically – which is probable – she could resign as SOS and lead a revolt. She is not much different than Obama on a political scale, but she and Bill are very cunning. They could morph and work from the inside to lead a revolt in the party. May be wishful thinking, but it would make for interesting political theater.
Can we choose door number 3? None of the above?
I don’t think I could stand to listen to Hillary’s voice for 4 years. I don’t think our country can stand either of their policies for 4 years. We definitely need a do over with door number 3.
Kelley,
Are you saying that my two additional emails sent to our Senators last night made no difference? They are still going to do as they are told by Dingy Harry? Well, I am shocked, shocked I tell you. I thought for sure that they would respond to the people who put them in office. I thought they would care that the people of Virginia did not want this bill. It appears that I was misinformed. They don’t care what the peon voters want. We’re just the ignorant masses who don’t know what is best for us. Fortunately for us we have liberals representing us. They know what’s best for us.
Leave it to the Dems to pick a nominee who makes Hitlary look qualified by comparison. Or to cause met to grudgingly admit some level of accord with “Loudmouthed Inciter.”
LL — (grin) The problem is that I also sent emails to our esteemed Senators telling them how much the people who put them in office and the people of Virginia need and want this bill! Of course, when I sent such missives to Warner and Allen, I too was shocked by how little mine seemed to matter! I wonder how many of these e-mails simply cross each other out?
Gretchen,
Are you by chance a writer? Did you write Midwife’s Tale? If so, kudos. It’s a very good book.
I usually get email responses from Senator Webb that infuriate me. No one in his office bothers to read my email but sends me a canned response that insults my intelligence with banalities and half truths. The last one I received was filled with UNtruths. I’ve never had any representative who send such insulting missives.
Warner simply ignores me.
Not sure which is better, being ignored, or being insulted.
Gretchen,
I follow your posts on other sites so I know you live Ken Cuccinelli’s district. Why is there a democrat primary? Is someone running against Dave Marsden?
I’ve met all three of the republican candidates and feel that any of them will beat Dave. Steve Hunt is my choice, but I was also impressed with Will Nance. Marianne Horinko belongs to a club that has me as a member, so she’s somewhat suspicious.
About the 37th primary, this is how I best understand it. Any candidate can file (and pay the fee) with the Fairfax County Democratic Committtee to run by next Friday. Should Marsden be the only candidate to do so, the primary will be cancelled. I’ve heard a few names mentioned, but nothing as sure as Marsden, so I don’t know if there will actually be a primary or not.
While I don’t know the three Republican candidates (although I am a “friend” of Steve Hunt on FB from keeping up with school board issues) I do believe Republicans have done a very good job recruiting. That said, I’ve heard some very good things about Marsden, and have for several years, although I’ve never met him in person. (My husband has.)
I’m not someone who writes to my elected officials very often, but it’s always interesting to see how they respond. George Allen almost never replied, but I didn’t find this terribly unusual, since a quick glance would have shown that someone like me wasn’t likely someone he could persuade. When he did reply, it was often on another topic from the one I’d mentioned. John Warner ALWAYS replied and was very thoughtful about it. Both Mark Warner and Jim Webb have sent me thoughtful (if boilerplate) replies to my comments regarding healthcare, although perhaps my idea of “thoughtful” (given that I’m a Democrat) and a Republican’s idea of “thoughtful” might be two very different things! I am sorry to hear that you feel insulted, though. No party is working at its best when it is insulting voters, even those that will never vote for that candidate.
And I am the author of THE MIDWIFE’S TALE, and I thank you for your kind words about it. I did a talk at the Lovettsville library a few years ago and loved it. You have a wonderful town up there — so close to the WV border that I felt right at home!
I agree with LI’s comments. Since we had to accept a Dem in the White House, Hillary would have been a better president–albeit having to listen to the voice. I think she is doing a good job at State. Obama is a nightmare. Does he listen to anyone or is he so narcissistic he doesn’t consider others’ input necessary? Absent a huge improvement in jobs, the economy, etc., I see this guy as a one-term president–IF the GOP will run a moderate, competent, and qualified candidate (even if he is Mormon).
And will someone please tell Obama to quit bowing and grovelly to “princes and potentates.” I can’t believe protocal requies him to do so. Can anyone see Hillary curtsying to anyone? Does anyone remember the outrage when Martha Mitchell curtied to Queen Elizabeth?
Hey – there’s a Marsden thread below!
Some of you need to lighten up – this is all pure ex post facto speculation! We’re stuck with Obama for better or worse. I actually hope he does better, for the sake of the country.
I don’t know if I buy the total Obama narcissism concept–anyone who progresses in machine politics is going to have the kind of ego necessary to survive the nature of the beast itself.
What I do think is that he was the perfect person to put at the apex of the massive unwieldy coalition necessary to acheive the sweep that occurred, and as such is no doubt suffering the letdown that comes when it is gradually revealed that he is NOT in fact the god he was packaged as, but a politician in a position—and a very precarious position at that, as the godhead myth of marketing continues to unravel along with the coalition.
The coalition will continue to unravel as its more powerful components continue to strive to ram through massive government growth and the attendant massive debt that comes with their ideological payback for getting on (and helping drive) the bus, as people who “hoped” for “change” continue to withdraw in horror at the naked same-ole.
Whether Hilary would have been better? Different coalition, different marketing, and some of the same results.
She pretty much lost me forever years ago, with the whole “I’m not Tammy Wynette” (you sure as hell aren’t! You had every advantage imaginable compared to that woman, who succeeded on her own efforts and talent, in spite of poverty, lack of education, the works. The world knows who Wynette is because of Wynette, not because of who her husband is!) thing, and THEN, at a Democratic women’s luncheon and tea at the White House, took the podium on TV with a platter of cookies and grumped “I baked them myself.”
As a much younger stay-at-home mom, that blew my gaskets. I could have lived with the rest if she’d stuck to her guns and not sneered about the cookies.
Stupid, I know, but it made an impression–lol!
Clinton would have been a better president, but Obama’s extremism makes him an easy target for conservatives and moderates in 2012 (as well as congressional races in 2010). I just hope that the damage he does can be undone with the next administration. I fear that new government give-aways like health care don’t ever just go away.
Of course, government giveaways can never be taken away. Look how long it took to get rid of welfare, a program that destroyed Black families and Black communities. Socialized medicine is like a shark, it can only move forward, never backward. That’s why we must do everything we can to defeat this awful bill.
Based on the dismal performance of this president one can make the case the Dems should have selected chelsea clinton.
LOL. Or perhaps Amy Carter?
One of my earliest political memories is of the hate and venom directed towards Amy Carter. It later seemed so familiar when pointed towards Chelsea Clinton.
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I remember being perplexed how such vitriol could be directed towards a little girl.
They both seem to have grown up just fine. More power to them, and their parents (as parents) after the young experience in the world’s biggest fishbowl.
There was venom towards Chelsea Clinton? You couldn’t even look at the girl without the Clinton’s pitching a fit. I remember it being hands off Chelsea but pretty much fair game with the Bush twins, but to each their own memory.
I don’t really remember how Amy Carter was treated, I just remember the misery during her father’s administration.
AFF, the Bush twins put up with just as much scrutiny. Don’t be so selective.
LI- the Bush twins partied like rock stars, took bong hits with P-Diddy and regularly went out drinking as underaged teeny-boppers with their SService detail….. and the “liberal” media pretty much let it go. I remember naught a story in the MSN.
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Regardless, I don’t think the comparison is appropriate, nor relevant. My point was how such bizarre hatred is often directed at innocents by wild eyed crazies. In my youth (during the Carter years) I was shocked by the shitty things people often said about Amy Carter in my very republican christian household. The hypocrisy was just as clear to me then, as now.
Hmm. I grew up in a very republican, Christian household during that period, and I honestly can’t remember any derogatory comment directed torward Amy or any other Carter, for that matter.
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Perhaps your parents were just douchebag outliers?
Perhaps your parents were the douchebag outliers, Cato. Both are possibilities.
The Bush twins took bong hits with P-Diddy? AFF, I think you took a few too many bong hits in your youth if you are still crying over “christian, republican” households making fun of Amy Carter.
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Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?
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When the libs are down they sure are nasty little suckers, aren’t they?
Fantastic! Now Edmund has come to lend his support to his other liberal friend against the oppression of Amy Carter by the big, bad, christian republicans int he 70’s!
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You can’t make this shit up.
AFF was definitely out for bong hits if he remembers nary a peep from the msm on the Bush twins.
My parents were indeed douchebags. I distinctly remember them remaining silent whilst that evil Amy Carter read a book (a book – of all things) at a state dinner. What complete douchebags. Here was a golden opportunity to eviscerate this spawn of satan for her complete and total disrespect of protocol. Did they drop the C-bomb on her? No. Nothing of the sort. I lost all respect for them on that day…
The Bush twins took bong hits with P-Diddy? wow. I totally missed that, despite always reading People magazine while in line at Giant. Were they arrested? I would LOVE to see the pictures. I do recall that they had a drink in college. Horrors! The MSM had them in jail for ordering Margarita’s at the tender age of 20. We all know that NO other college student has EVER had a drink prior to being the legal age of 21.
Typical of the driveby media, the children of democrats are OFF LIMITS while republicans kids are fair game, even if the stories are totally fictitious.
Loudoun Insider said “Hey – there’s a Marsden thread below!”
LI, Lighten up!
Look, I won’t even bring up Alex Kerry’s patying like a rock star last week…Mostly, Lidsey Lohan style.
Al Gore’s 18 year old son doing 100 mph while high? Nary a mention. Kerry’s daughter (36 years old, which is even worse) getting a DWI last week – no mention.
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To think that “christian republicans” raised such rotten children! Who do they think they are working in Africa and writing books donating the proceeds after college? It barely makes up for underage drinking!
It looks like Webb and Warner joined the ranks of the deaf: those Senators who refused to listen to their constituencies. In a representative republic, this means they should be voted out next time they run.
Cato is now our funniest poster with the long absence of the illustrious Ben Dover!
Your parents sound like my parents Cato: sane Republicans.
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Did your parents quit the party too and go independent?
The premise suggests we would have better off with Clinton. Even SNL is starting to realize a political do over is in order. It is easy for them to use humor. The rest of you simply have to admit you were taken.
http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/23/the-point-snl-skit-a-warning-for-obama/?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sphere.com%2F2009%2F11%2F23%2Fthe-point-snl-skit-a-warning-for-obama%2F
I suspect Edmund’s parents are named Lovey and Thurston Howell III??
“I do say Lovey, it’s just impossible to put up with these ConSERvatives! It’s imperative we establish ourselves outside this right wing nonsense but maintain our cocktail party invitations….sooner or later, my dear, we’ll be back in power with good men like Arlen Specter and women like that fanTAStic Carly Fiorina!”
As much as the LL’s of the world like doing the tit for tat thing to justify their political hero’s shortcomings I have no interest. Al Gore’s son, John Kerry’s daughter …. blah blah fucking blah.
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I am surprised however, by the revisionist memories surfacing in this thread regarding the Bush twins considering, one of the very few successes of the Bush Administration was their handling of the White House Press Corp and the corporations which they answered. Bush let it be known in no uncertain terms that his daughters (and their antics) were off limits (period) and any deviation from said directive would result in no access for the offending news organization (period). His successful directive (give the man credit people as he had very few successes) should serve as a template for all future administrations.
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Bush’s daughters were able to go out, get shitty drunk in our nations capitol, use fake IDs regularly (or should I say get caught using fake IDs regularly?) use their SService details to take their alcohol poisoned boyfriends to the hospital AND Little LL didn’t even get to read about it in People magazine (or see pictures, sorry Bigger LL) One thing Bush was excellent at (until the wheels completely came off the train midway though the 2nd term and no cared about access) was keeping his staff on message all the while keeping the press on a short lease.
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Poor George. So few successes and now his base won’t even acknowledge his triumphs.
AFF, I am not surprised you are complete hypocrite concerning the children of elected officials, on one hand disparaging people from 30 years ago for making supposed harsh comments about Amy Carter then attacking the Bush twins.
If you weren’t hypocritical, I wouldn’t think it was really you.
Nice touch with the “political hero” comment too, it’s almost as if you’ve never been on this blog before. Could be the koolaid you are drinking is affecting your memory, or the bong hits.
I’m still trying to figure out how ANYONE knows anything the twins did if the Bush WH was so successful in keeping it completely under wraps.
Can’t have it both ways, methinks!
Amazing! I was looking for a good blog on current politics and I somehow wound up on the History Channel. Amy Carter. Hmmm, wasn’t that the little girl who left the White House for good at the age of nine? Man, that was almost 30 years ago! And I always thought it was her father who was taking the hits — as in that comment in the debate with Reagan about nuclear weapons. You mean it was little Amy who had to take the fall? That might explain her later life — arrested at Brown U. for demonstrating; kicked out of Brown U. for failed academics; refusing to have her father walk her down the aisle at her wedding because “I don’t belong to anyone.” Hmmm again. THAT Amy Carter!! Gosh, those Republican personal attacks on her in 1977-1980 must have left scars for life.
LL, wrong again.
Hear me now and believe me later. I am falling in love with Loudoun Lady and want to idle away an evening with her while listening to Barry White songs.
What the BP Monk said in his first post, and what L Lady said in her first. Hillary is the leftist in that family. Bill was the politician, whose smartest move was to listen to Dick Morris (and Dick’s polling buddies). Bill believed in Bill and getting elected. Hillary believes all that leftist B.S.
But she hides it well (by betting on the public’s short memory), eh, JD?
Careful, BP, you could get a bad rep when you say stuff that I agree wiff!