Because We All Know This Is The Key To Beating Jim Moran!

By Loudoun Insider

Oh boy, the purity hunt is in full force in all districts.  Over in the 8th CD, home to the odious obnoxious prick Jim Moran, we have the two GOP candidates trying to outdo each other on pro-life credentials.  Because we all know the key to beating Jim Moran in the 8th CD is selecting the most rabidly pro-life GOP candidate.  Once, again, “we may lose, but at least we’ll be pure”.  And some of you wonder why I am losing faith in the ability of the new wave of GOP leaders to make any gains in NoVA?


Comments

  • I think your misinterpreting the point.

    The point was that Murray has had conflicting answers to the question on whether or not he’s “pro-life.” Pro-life or not, voters just want to know where somebody stands on the issue. It has nothing to do with purity.

  • BlackOut says:

    NJM, I call bullshit. It’s all about purity.

  • Cato the Elder says:

    We should nominate a Jewish candidate just so Moran has to shake his hand at the debate.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    That would be a sight to see, Cato. I still can’t believe anyone could vote for that jerk. Yet they do it time after time. Unfortunately I don’t see either of the two current GOP candidates having what it takes to beat him this time. Surely we can do better, can’t we?

  • LI, thanks for the post. I had a half-written post that I finalized on my blog that says essentially the same thing.

    Here it is.

    A Gallup Poll released recently confirmed a trend observed for the first time last year that more Americans identify themselves as “pro-life” than “pro-choice.” Now, before the social conservatives crack open the champagne, let me offer a cautionary note.

    Despite the recent polling numbers, virtually unchanged over the thirty five years the poll has been conducted is the solid majority that believes abortion should be legal under certain circumstances. (Another interesting finding is that as many people abortion should be illegal under any circumstances as those who believe it should be legal under any circumstances, tending to support my personal theory that there is an equivalent number of nutballs at both ends of the political spectrum). So whichever of these vague labels one may be willing to take, the fact that one identifies himself as “pro-life” does not mean his attitude toward access to abortion has changed.

    Thus, socially conservative Republicans should not see this data as justifying a political platform to restrict abortion rights. As I mentioned, unchanged is the fact that most believe abortion should be permissible under certain circumstances. Republican candidates, however, can make their point with the “pro-life” element by saying that human life is sacred and that abortion is morally wrong – and leave it at that. Pro-life and pro-choice are not mutually exclusive. One can believe that abortion is morally wrong, but realize that reasonable minds can differ – just as they do with regard to other religious beliefs. Let others hold their beliefs without retribution or recrimination.

    Aside from being the sensible thing to do, it allows social Republicans to court votes on both sides of the aisle without looking like the anti-abortion jihadists they have in the past.

  • Loudoun Lady says:

    There were 150 delegates at their convention, so the participation level is not what it needs to be. I realize the demographics are completely different than the 10th, but knowing a couple conservatives that live in Arlington – they feel like it is a futile effort to even get involved. It’s not, but it’s convenient to use Jim Moran as the ultimate excuse to continue to sit on their lazy asses (at least the ones I know).
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    The lesson is, if you sit on your ass and do nothing but complain – Jim Moran stays in office. I take nothing away from those in the 8th that are involved and working it – I am just sick that the current state of our country is not enough motivation for those that I know COULD help but don’t.

  • RichmondDem says:

    This reminds of when Democrats in the 4th District, in 2008, ran a far-left former Kuccinuch volunteer.
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    Obama won the district (albeit barely), but the D Congressional candidate lost BADLY. Contrast that to VA-5.

  • The Fountainhead says:

    I guess the rumors about Dick Black running again in Loudoun County aren’t true. Looks like he’s in Norfolk, up to his old tricks.

    Also, I hear that this issue will be the one to unseat Moran. Hah.

    See link for little Dickie Black’s latest efforts in Norfolk.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/21/AR2010052101861.html

  • The best shot to take out Moran is in a primary. It’s a Dem district, guys. Dems aren’t going to win the 6th, 1st or 7th. Repubs can’t win 3rd or 8th. The other six districts are in play each election, depending on the quality of the challenger and the political mood of the country. Obviously the 9th, 10th and 4th would be hard to flip because they have entrenched, popular incumbents. It would take a pretty big wave for one side of the other, but it could be done.

  • kelley in virginia says:

    new poll out in 5th CD. Republican State Senator Robert Hurt still winning. He won poll done by KC’s & McD’s pollster too.

    DNC doing phone polling in 5th past weekend: questions: will you definitely vote in November (I wish I could have said “hell yeah”); will you vote for Perriello, Hurt or undecided; do you think Bambi care is terrific or should it be repealed (paraphrasing here) & finally, gender & age.

  • RichmondDem says:

    One of the three Democratic Congressman elected in 2008 from VA will lose. The other two will win.

  • Cato the Elder says:

    “One of the three Democratic Congressman elected in 2008 from VA will lose. The other two will win.”
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    Pass the bong, Cheech!

  • LI, this has nothing to do with purity. This has to do with a crucial issue which the Republican voters have the right to be informed about. Patrick Murray has consistently flip flopped on an issue that means a lot to us. You put up a pro choice candidate and I promise you, the totals for the Indie Greens will go up significantly. Conservative principles win, not pandering to the MorOns. You are clearly ill informed when it comes to my district’s primary. Go Matthew Berry!

  • RichmondDem says:

    Cato–
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    I’d bet money on Glenn Nye losing. With Tom Perriello, it will be a close run thing, but he’s a hard worker, good campaigner, and he has the base behind him. The improving economy will help, too. Connolly will not lose unless the Republicans get a big landslide which isn’t in the cards anymore.
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    Boucher, Scott, Moran, and all the Republicans are safe.

  • RichmondDem says:

    BTW, what does it matter if a Congressman is pro-choice or pro-life? Judges are confirmed in the Senate, and a Constitutional amendment banning abortion will pass the House about the same time a Republican defeats Bobby Scott in the Third, mainly, never.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    ROG, I guarantee you it is all about purity for some. Do you really think either guy has a chance to beat the odious Jim Moran?

  • Cato the Elder says:

    Perriello will be harder to beat than Connolly. Fairfax has always had its Connoly-haters, but I’ve never seen a higher level of negative intensity than this year. Again, strictly my opinion and with no aspersions to either Fimian or Herrity but if Herrity wins the nomination, your little blue asses will be in a collective sling.

  • RichmondDem says:

    If the Republican Party were halfway competent, Cato, in a normal mid-term election as the party out of power they could take all three seats, but since they’re going full wingnut, they’re going to get one. If they get two, it will only be barely in one of them.
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    Same on the national stage. Twenty seats, twenty-five max.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    RD, “going full wingnut” is just about the funniest thing I’ve read in ages!!! That is now a regular part of the TC vocabulary! As in – the LCRC and 10th CD have definitely gone full wingnut. Perfectly descriptive.

  • James Young says:

    Because we all know you’ve done such a bang-up job electing Republicans!

  • Rtwng Extrmst says:

    How horrible! Republicans are actually nominating candidates who favor protecting innocent human life? What is the world coming to?!

  • Loudoun Independent says:

    A pro-life candidate will never ever get elected in the Eighth District. So instead of maybe having a good centrist moderate Republican instead of Jim Moran, who is an embarassment to the great state of Virginia, we’re stuck with Moran because of you moralist christians. We really do need a real moderate party, because too many people are sick of extremists on both sides.

  • Lovettsville Lady says:

    If Pat Herrity wins the primary, he wins in November and we’re finally rid of sleazy Gerry Connelly. Perriello is toast and Glen Nye too. Even Boucher could lose this year.

  • LI, your still missing the point. The point of me bringing it up had nothing to do with purity..It was about the fact that Murray had conflicting answers and unclear views on it.

    I’ve proven this earlier, yet you continue to pull this “high and mighty” crap. Do us all a favor and stop blogging.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    I’ve been around longer than you NJM, and will be here long after you’re gone. And I understand the proper use of your and you’re!
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    I understand that you weren’t bringing this up for purity’s sake, but as I said, I guarantee you that for plenty of people involved that is exactly the point.

  • Ah grammer wars, how mature.

    H/e – I will acknowledge that some are interested in purity, yet for this instance this had nothing to do with purity. Ellmore-Amit was a bigger example of purity I think.

    anyways, just be glad we don’t have the drama of the 11th district..

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Hey, you’re the one telling me to stop blogging on my blog! And it’s grammar, by the way, not grammer. I would have given you a pass on the “your” but you did it twice, leading me to believe you are pretty grammatically challenged for a blogger.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Speaking of Jim Moran, here’s yet another example of why he should not be in Congress:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/24/AR2010052404000.html?hpid=topnews
    Unfortunately, this seems to be par for the course in terms of Congressional behavior. I’m still amazed that the Dems can be proud of having two of the most obnoxious a-holes in politics representing them in NoVA – Moran and Connolly. But we’re not going to beat either one with a flaming tea partier.

  • The Fountainhead says:

    LI, Frank Wolf is right up there as far as obnoxious assholery is concerned. Spineless, Wolf is. I hope the Lind led 10th finds a true conservative to primary Wolf out of office in 2012. This is the guy who ran on term limits some 30 years ago, remember?

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    No comparison in terms of obnoxious assholery! Although any Wolf GOP challenger can be expected to have plenty of that trait!

  • ROG, the very fact that the GOP is close to nominating an openly gay man in the eighth is sign enough that this isn’t a “purity war.”

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    That’s some news I haven’t heard! Wait until the Puritans get ahold of that!

  • Was that sarcasm? Tell me it was… The so called “puritans” know he is gay and they don’t seem to give a damn about it.

  • Let's Be Free says:

    It is a mistake to reduce politics in the 8th District to abortion or some other litmus social issue. Berry is the likely nominee. By virtue of his campaign for the regular we’ll likely learn, unfortunately, that when challenging the reliable and predictable Democratic incumbent, even a fellow who lives with his partner Josh can’t break much above 40 percent in the 8th District

    Most of the registered voters in Arlington and Alexandria wouldn’t vote for a Republican even if he/she were an abortionist. What the enclavists want mostly is an enclaviator — a representative who salutes smartly and ponies up the bucks whenever, however and for whatever they want and who will ensure the enclave is protected. You want to build a pedestrian bridge to sewage plant, we’ll work with you. You want a hundred million for a couple of rails down Columbia Pike — you betcha, Jimbo will work for it until he can deliver. And if you want to hem in I-66, or you want to stop additional lanes on I-395, then you got a friend in Jim Moran. It is much more complicated than pro-life, pro-choice to wind one’s way through these issues and remain electable.

    Abortion is essentially a non-issue for members of the House since Roe v. Wade was legislated from the bench by black-robed men 35 years ago. Also, there are people like myself who have come to be pro-life not by virtue of religious beliefs but empirically (seeing and hearing many early term sonograms had a profound effect on my views, there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that Roe would have come down the way it did if modern technology had been available to Harry Blackmun when he spent his summer researching the issue at the Mayo Clinic). I’ll look at someone’s record/views on life/abortion if a candidate for the Senate but don’t care if it is a House candidate.

  • Lovettsville Lady says:

    Let’s Be Free, your post should be titled, ”lets be Real” because that’s exactly what it was, real. Folks in the 8th will NOT vote for someone with an R after their name and the LOVE Jim Moran, regardless of how he treats women and Jews. He gets them what they want, and can be counted on to support any liberal idiocy that comes down the pike. He will ALWAYS vote the left way.

    It is no secret that Matthew Berry is gay and lives with a long time partner. He’s a true patriot and conservative. http://berry2010.com/about/ God Bless him for running even though he must know that there is very, very, little chance he can win. Moran is like Huey Long, the only way he will lose is if he caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy. In VA’s 8th even those might not be disqualifiers.

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    What a change of pace, an openly gay Republican candidate for Congress. Will there be a caucus for gay Republican Senators and Representatives? Can Larry Craig and Mark Foley and Ed Schrock and all the other closeted gay Republican Congressmen, past and current, come too?

    I mean, usually you guys run closeted, self-loathing, self-delusional gay men for Congress. This is a big change.

  • Mr. Ed says:

    LBF, that’s a nice story about how your views RE: abortion have evolved. You are welcome to them. The question is empirical for you, though, is it not, because I think you are a man. Kindly allow women, the ones who are actually affected personally by this issue, to reach their own conclusions. Thank you.

  • Thomas says:

    Do any of you know that Matthew Berry is an openly gay Jewish Republican? In other words, he is the perfect candidate to take down Jim Moran. He is a social moderate, fiscal conservative who represents a demographic that is well represented in the VA-8th and another demographic that Moran has slandered repeatedly. Mark my word: should Berry win the GOP nomination, Berry WILL DEFEAT Jim Moran. Berry WILL DEFEAT Moran.

  • Let's Be Free says:

    I agree with Thomas that Berry has the best chance for victory since the gerrymandered district was laid out after the 2000 census. Moran has made many enemies, who someday, maybe now, will turn against the man who bites the hand that feeds him, much like Reagan Democrats turned against their home party in 1980. Perhaps more importantly (as far as chances for victory goes if not civics), these folks may not turn out to vote.

    Fighting the good fight, even if in defeat, will isolate, weaken and immobilize the PC enclaves (I say this as a resident of Arlington). Berry has a solid, sensible platform and impeccable, first-rate credentials. I look forward to meeting Berry, shaking his hand, offering encouragement and supporting him in his improbable run for Congress.

    Mr. Ed, I hope you aren’t assuming that everyone who is pro-life would jump to criminalizing abortion or doesn’t respect women. You can keep me out of those piegeon holes. Under the current contrived constitutional law there’s no substantial basis for debate and reaching common ground — the black robed shouldn’t be making this up all on their own, though they likely will at least until I’m dead and buried.

  • NotJohnSMosby says:

    You guys are really delusional if you think the 8th will vote for a Republican for Congress. Jim will either retire on his own terms or lose to a Democratic primary opponent but he will never lose to a Republican. Voters in the 8th aren’t stupid, they’re not going to cut off their noses to spite their faces by voting in a Republicant. Berry sounds like a gay version of Joe Lieberman where Israel comes first, and Joe Lieberman couldn’t get elected as a crossing guard in Arlington and he’s a Democrat.

  • Mr. Ed says:

    LBF, I certainly will not pigeon-hole you. You sound quite reasonable. I think mostly everyone is pro-life, as opposed to pro-death. My problem is with the religious types who are anti abortion in all circumstances, yet also are against sex education in school and against health care for all, two measures that in my opinion would go a long way towards reducing the number of abortions, which we all should be able to agree is a worthy goal.

  • Elder Berry says:

    I’m pretty sick of human life being more sacred before it is born than after. Pretty sick of this difficult life issue being made a political football and exploited for political gain.

  • EB, most reasonable voters are, too.
    The message from politicians this year had better be economical and job-creation. Anything that tears either of those two down (read Cap n’ trade) is a valid reason to hang a foot in the ass of the prick voting against those (or grandstanding on anything BESIDES those.)

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