I am pretty dissapointed in Senator George Allen right now.
First, information comes out that he owns stock in a company which makes the morning after pill, and now accusations are flying that he has made incredibly racist remarks.
If this video does surface, it could end Allen’s presidential chances, similar to Howard Dean’s scream.
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First of all, you need to ask when he bought the stock and if he knows that it is the only facility that makes the morning after pill. I’m not sure most people keep track of that sort of thing. Also, there are people that do not believe life begins at conception so taking this pill would not be abortion to them.
Second, I read NLS post and no one can tell from that or the definition given, that, that is what he meant to imply. So many people take things out of context now days it is pathetic. And look who is putting out the information, Webb.
I wonder if NLS is actually going to get a copy of the tape or not. Has anyone talked to the Allen campaign and asked them about either of these incidents?
I suggest that before any of us jump to conclusions, we hear the whole story
Had to Say
on August 14th, 2006I agree with Had to Say. For that matter, has NLS even seen the video yet to verify the statement? Something smells funny about this, and Ben Tribbett’s liberal leanings do not give me any additional confidence in what he is claiming.
CR UVa
on August 14th, 2006It’s certainly impressive to see your sterling defense of Allen of charges made in the absence of any proof — my respect of Ben to the contrary notwithstanding.
James Young
on August 14th, 2006Thanks for being NLS’s Republican hack for Update #4. Aren’t there any Republicans in Texas you can work on destroying.
Joe
on August 14th, 2006I’ll withhold final judgement until I see the video. But if it is as Ben describes, I believe that most voters, regardless of party affiliation, would find it very disturbing.
Mitch Cumstein
on August 14th, 2006God forbid you actually wait to see the video before you jump on the NLS/Webb bandwagon. Well done.
NotHarrisMiller
on August 14th, 2006I posted this on the NLS thread -
Question for those attempting sheepishly to defend Allen’s remarks —
If the Webb tracker was a full-blooded Caucasian, can you honestly tell me Allen would have called the guy “Mukakah”? and also said “welcome to America”? huh?
What Allen said was straight-out racist and derogatory. Pure and simple.
furrycat
on August 14th, 2006“Mohawka”
Dika Wahdamas
on August 14th, 2006furrycat, can you prove that he said it?
CR UVa
on August 14th, 2006I love George Allen, and of course I am still voting for him, but that was an insanely idiotic thing to say.
Why point out the guy with the videocamera at all?
It seems lately all the Republicans have taken stupid pills.
-Disappointed LCRCer
on August 14th, 2006I’m not sure what to make of this. It doesn’t seem as horrible as people are making it out to be, but I haven’t yet watched the video. I don’t understand why Allen used the term or name Makkaka (however it’s spelled). It’s not a racial epithet to the best of my knowledge, but it has no resemblance at all to the fellow’s name. It may be that Allen was just using a foreign-sounding name and trying to get his audience to equate Webb with foreigners (hence the “welcome to America” stuff). That would be classless and stupid, but not a reflection of racist leanings. I’m not sure that that’s an effective thing to do, but I’m not sure it is anything other than lame and clumsy. If we found lame and clumsy to be disqualifying, virtually no one would survive a campaign.
I would be troubled if the remark was clearly a racist or disparaging anti-foreigner remark. But it seems ambiguous to me. I’ll watch the tape tonight and think about it.
NoVA Scout
on August 14th, 2006I think he was trying to say ‘macaque’, which is a small brown monkey and is pronounced ‘makkak’.
(http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwvir/VirusInfo/macaque.html)
And George Allen didn’t have to take stupid pills; he has stupid glands working overtime, apparently.
VultureCapitalist
on August 14th, 2006As a resident of Virginia, I would never vote for George Allen. I did not think he was a racist, but appealed to racist sentiments of the southern Virginia voters (anyone south of Fredericksburg)..but then again, most southern politicians appeal to the racist sentiments for southern whites..many of whom have not changed a bit since the 1960s. These politicians include, but not limited to Nathan Deal, Lyn Westmoreland, Virgil Goode, JoAnn Davis, JoAnn Emerson, Katherine Harris, Marsha Blackburn, among others. In fact, southern GOP female reps such as Marsha Blackburn cheerlead the causes of the racist segment of the southern whites, although they themselves may not be racist.
Would rather support any of the others running for President, including John McCain.
G. Chell
on August 14th, 2006NoVA Scout, see this wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaque
Chili
on August 14th, 2006I just watched the video, and I took it to mean “Welcome to the real America” not the “inside the beltway America” or the “Hollywood Version of America”. This is a prime example of a quote taken completely out of context.
Earl
on August 14th, 2006[...] Here is some of the coverage: “Sen. Allen’s Remarks Spark Ire” (Washington Post) “Major Senate Race Shakeup” (Not Larry Sabato) “Allen Under Fire…and Rightly So” (Too Conservative) “Allen Scandal” (Not Larry Sabato) [...]
Brian Patton » Allen at the Breaks
on August 14th, 2006The morning after pill is like taking 6 (if I remember correctly) birth control pills at once. It’s not going to end a pregnancy. It is an after-the-fact contraceptive.
ps
on August 14th, 2006Also, there are people that do not believe life begins at conception so taking this pill would not be abortion to them.
Also, since Plan B prevents ovulation, and thereby prevents conception, it’s also not abortion for those who do believe life begins at conception. It is abortion for those who believe that life begins at ejaculation.
fwiffo
on August 14th, 2006Earl, what exactly did Allen want to infer by calling the Webb tracker “Macaca”?
If you don’t know it, macaca is a derogatory and very prejudiced term used in Tunisia in reference to blacks and dark-skinned people.
Guess what? George Allen’s mother is Tunisian so I can bet you, he knew exactly what he meant when he called the guy “macaca”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Felix_Allen
Disgusting.
furrycat
on August 14th, 2006I am sorely disappointed by Too Conservative’s characterization of the video incident, ie. “Allen under Fire and Rightly So.” I saw the video and there is nothing in that video that can be credibly characterized as racist. Of course, the statement is so vague that the Dems and twist it to mean anything they want. My issue is with this blog assuming the Dems position and haphazardly running with it. By the way, I am a minority female and have known Senator Allen for a number of years and he is NOT a racist.
FCRC lacky
on August 14th, 2006I wonder if John McCain will be sending Jim Webb a big box of kisses for this video. He’s the only one who is going to get any traction out of it – when he pops it up again come 2008 Primary season. Only question is will he bring it out in New Hampshire or wait for South Carolina or Michigan?
Allen should really be taken for task for having refered to Webb as the photographer’s opponent.
Hirons
on August 14th, 2006I have the video link!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7gq7GQ71c)
I think this will put an end to any claims that there’s “nothing racist” there. LOL!
Game. Set. Match.
Marin DeJesus
on August 14th, 2006Looks like Allen stepped in it.
And as much as #16 may want to disengenuosly portray Allen’s words, there’s no denying that he called the guy a definitive derogatory term, and assumed he was an immigrant because he was….gasp…. a brown skinned person.
Pathetic, but at the least VA voters get to see his true colors before they vote in November.
Demosthenes
on August 14th, 2006Furrycat, interesting that the Wikipedia entry was substantially modified today and is remarkably different from the entry cached on Friday, particularly as today’s modifications are attributed to you. That aside, you may have a future as a fiction writer/WAPO columnist.
Anyone who places any credence in a Wikipedia reference deserves any and all consequences that may befall them.
Mom
on August 14th, 2006Mom at #20, according to this conservative site (that is tracking the 2008 GOP presidential hopefuls), Allen’s mother is, in fact, Tunisian:
“Allen’s mother immigrated from French Tunisia and was “Italian, French and a little Spanish†and according to Allen, was imprisoned by the Nazi Regime in World War II Germany. Allen’s father was of Dutch-Irish and Scottish descent.”
Link:
http://race42008.com/george-allen/
Slim
on August 14th, 2006“Mom,”
The Tunisian-descent reference was in Wikipedia last Friday. That’s what furrycat is citing.
Jason P.
on August 14th, 2006Hey mom, its funny that you have no idea how wikipedia works.
Its always updated regualrly.
But heres another link proving that the term Bigotted Allen used was indeed an ethnic slur.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-ethnic-slurs#M
Anyone who paces credence in anonymous comment posters who don’t bother to address the actual, real issue at hand deserves the crappy, criminal candidates that represent them.
Demosthenes
on August 14th, 2006And yes, the term “macaca” is a very derogatory term meaning “monkey”.
The macaca monkeys are found in Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia, and in Gibraltar.
http://members.tripod.com/uakari/macaca_sylvanus.html
furrycat
on August 14th, 2006Hey Demosthenes, its funny that you have no idea how wikipedia is “manipulated”. I’m very well aware of how it works and the substantive issues that its use creates. For a real eye opener check out some of the threads regarding Wiki cites by patent/trademark examiners and the grief and expense caused by their citations. But I suspect that would destroy your view of the world from the basement of the science building. At face value, Wiki is less credible than my five year old and when manipulated, often dangerous.
Mom
on August 14th, 2006Point is that you’re trying to claim that the word isnt actually a racial slur, based on typical right-wing paranoia . If you actually cared if the word was a slur, rather than just being concerned with discrediting the story (as you obviously are), then you would simply do a google search for the word “Macaque” and “slur” and see thousands of references explaining the ethnic implications of the term.
But I suppose those were all created in the past hour as well…
The word is a slur, and Allen stepped in it. Deal with it.
Demosthenes
on August 14th, 2006“Mom,”
George Allen’s mother is of Tunisian descent. It’s not just Wikipedia that says this. It’s also: http://race42008.com/george-allen/
Jason P.
on August 14th, 2006I have never disputed nor for that matter discussed the use of the term macaca. All I’m disputing is the relevancy of the Wiki cite noted by Furrycat as it has been extensively manipulated and now has little if any credibility with regard to its Allen biographical “data”, for example the addition of comments attributed to his mother being anti-american and many other none to subtle changes since Friday.
In short, take the time to cite an authoritative reference and not one that makes you look like an ass.
Mom
on August 14th, 2006Mom
What are you talking about? I don’t even know how to edit Wikipedia. I knew Allen’s mother was Tunisian a long time ago, and I added the wikipedia link in my first comment because that was the most obvious place to search for.
Stop making false accusations. It only makes you look more desperate in your attempt to defend Allen’s unconscionable remark.
furrycat
on August 14th, 2006If you doubt something you find in Wikipedia, simply follow the link to the reference cited for that fact in the Wikipedia article. If there is no citation, you can discount it, but normally there is, in which case you can evaluate the credibility of that reference.
Hmm, apparently Allen supporters have now removed the sentence about Allen’s mother. Fortunatele they can’t hack the Hardball transcripts.
KCinDC
on August 14th, 2006Racist or not… this guy looks like a smug prick if you ask me. Not presidential at all. He sounds like a used car salesman. And calling the only non caucasian at an event, who is holding a video camera, anything that can be taken so easily out of context (it doesn’t take Carville or Rove to spin somthing like this, its t-ball level for press hacks) as this just proves to me he’s not ready for prime time.
And really folks, he meant it as he said it. I’d go farther that just saying his presidential campaign is stillborne, I’d be shocked if this doesn’t cause a SIGNIFICANT shift towards Webb in the northern counties.
And again, it was completely self inflicted. A classless, but more importarntly stupid move.
Nicacacaid
on August 14th, 2006You would think that Allen would be a lot more carefull with what he says given his past. I would generally not consider this statement racist – just stupid. However, for someone who spray painted racist grafitti while in high school, and aspires to be president of the United States, it was incredibly stupid.
Conservative Chris
on August 14th, 2006The sad thing is Allen’s people have now removed all reference to Allen’s mother in the original wikipedia article I cited.
Now, they have removed Tunisia completely from the entry. Yep.
Poof! Gone. Did anyone get a screen grab of the original wikipedia entry?
furrycat
on August 14th, 2006ALL YOU IDIOTS-
MACAQUE is pronounced Ma-Kack
NOT Macaca
jester
on August 14th, 2006Yeah, right, Jester. That’s a great point. I’m Jewish, and if they called me “Kikey,” I would TOTALLY see the difference.
Jason P.
on August 14th, 2006For a chap with a mother who is an immigrant, is he is anti-immigrant!! NO, I say not from the comments he made in the video, but his general stance on immigration. What a character!!
G. Chell
on August 14th, 2006I am a moderate Republican who first lived in Southwest VA when I arrived in America from India. I live in New York now and have always staunchly defended red state America in general and Virginia in particular from condescending White liberals. A great majority of Indian Americans appreciate the war on terror. Not just that but India is probably the only country whose majority population remains pro American. I consider VA my home in America, but today I am very disturbed. Someone please tell me Allen didn’t mean it. Honestly the evidence is damning.
suresh
on August 14th, 2006SO LETS SEE JASON BOY. I WANT TO CALL SOMEONE A RACIST TERMS THAT IS PRONOUCNED MUH-KACK BUT IT COMES OUT MUH-CAH-CAH INSTEAD. GET A CLUE. YOU IDIOTS HAVE JUMPED OFF THE DEEP END BECAUSE YOU’RE TOO IGNORANT TO KNOW HOW THE WORD IS PRONOUNCED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
jester
on August 14th, 2006Jester, the point is that he did not mean to call him a racist slur; it was the first thing that came to his mind when he was thinking of a nickname. “Macaca” or “macaque,” it doesn’t matter. It’s a slur. (i.e. “kikey” or “wetbacky.”) And it turns out (a) he has a background which would insinuate that he knows “macaque” is a racist term and (b) he lied about the kid’s nickname being close to “mohawk.”
Not only that, but he said “Welcome to America!” to a constituent of his who was born in Fairfax County, Virginia.
Classy capitalization, too, Jester.
Jason P.
on August 14th, 2006This was bound to happen eventually. Someone as stupid and hatefilled as George Allen couldn’t make a real presidential run.
I’m just glad this happened now, so that maybe Webb can unseat him.
willis
on August 14th, 2006Sorry Jason but you are grasping. By your logic he would have called him makacky not macaca. Let see I want to call a mexican a wetbacky so I call him a wetbacka or kikacka for kikey. Grasping for straws upon straws. Get a clue you guys jumped the conclusion because you are too ignorant to know a word isn’t necessarilly pronounced the way it’s spelled. You probably think niggardly is a racist term too.
jester
on August 14th, 2006Jester,
It’s a French word. Do you speak French? Do you know French pronunciation? I do (because I’m a homo-loving, secular flag-burner who you wouldn’t want to have a beer with). The final syllable is indeed pronounced. Si tu n’as aucune idée ce que tu dis, tu aurais raison ne pas parler. Fermes ta bouche.
His mother’s native tongue was French.
You’re stupid.
Max
on August 14th, 2006Jester, it’s the same word! Sweet sassy molassy.
Jason P.
on August 14th, 2006#38- “Niggardly”?
yea- I hear the politicians toss that one around all the time
AFF
on August 14th, 2006I have no idea if Allen meant it in it’s racist context, but Macaca does appear to be a non-U.S. (possibly Tunisian) pronouncian, and is used as such in a racist context. So it is possible – and to me sounds more likely than the “Mohawk” nickname explanation. If you see the picture of the gentleman, calling his haircut a Mohawk seems just a little weird.
If he was unaware of it’s racist implications, it seems to me that it was a pretend foreign name, like those who say “Ping Pong Ching Chong” when they are trying to make fun of Chinese names. While not expressly racist, it is demeaning, and a pretty obvious attempt to make the guy look bad for being “foreign”, despite being born in Fairfax, Virginia.
I also don’t buy the explanations the he was trying to say non-Beltway or non-Hollywood America when he said “Welcome to America”. I think he might have realized he was going a bit to far and tried to pull back with the real-Virginia line.
Overall, it’s pretty clear to me that Allen was making fun of an opponents campaign volunteer by making him sounds un-American, using playground cheap shots. I don’t think we’ll ever know if he meant “Macaca” in a specifically racist sense, but it doesn’t really matter. What he did was wrong, and unbefitting a U.S. Senator or candidate.
It was also, for those who like his stances, unbelievably stupid. I believe that not everyone with a racist pass is unredeemable – we all have done a stupid thing or two in life. But, for those like Allen who have some history of racism, it’s pretty important to keep yourself super clean. Allen failed the brains test here, pretty clearly.
Fides
on August 14th, 2006As someone who is Indian, Republican, a huge Davis supporter, and (formerly) a casual Allen supporter, I am a little bit upset at Senator Allen and let me explain why. First of all, I do understand that we all make jokes and I am not advocating political correctness. I watch the Simpson’s just like everyone else and I can definitely take a good natured joke. I make fun of my own people all the time. But the problem here is that Senator Allen appears to be picking on someone in a mean and malicious way. He appears to be singling out this person in front of a crowd that is presumably mostly white and he thinks that this is going to somehow score him political points. Now, if Senator Allen were making fun of the guy cause he was a Webb staffer, that would be different. But he goes above and beyond that. In other words, it’s the tone, spirit, and context of the situation that has me upset.
I should add that Senator Allen was one of the first Senators to speak out in favor of renewing the Voting Rights Act this year. He has also been a co-sponsor of Hate Crimes legislation.
It’s not my place to judge whether Senator Allen is a racist or not. I don’t know his heart and unlike the left, I don’t believe in instinctively attributing all events to race or class. Political correctness is not what I am advocating here. But having said that, you can’t be dumb enough to say what Senator Allen said.
Our country and the GOP have both come a really, really long way when it comes to race relations. Thirty years ago, we sat at segregated tables. Today, many minorities own their own businesses. That can only happen in America, or “the city on a shining hill”, as President Reagan used to call it.
However, Senator Allen’s comments should remind everyone that you don’t just ask people for their vote. Rather, you have to earn it. Unfortunately, I will not be supporting Senator Allen in his bid for the US Senate, nor his bid for the Presidency. The fact is that the Senator has a staff that is incredibly arrogant, to put it kindly. I can’t tell you how many Republicans I know that feel that way. Also, the Senator comes across, as one of my good GOP friends from New York likes to say, as a person who is ” as genuine as a three dollar bill”. I know Senator Allen loves to use football analogies. The Senator may think he scored a touchdown with his conservative base when he made those unfortunate remarks. Unfortunately, the reality is that he threw an ill timed interception- one that may cost him dearly in the 2008 Super Bowl that is the Presidential election.
Terpsfan4life
on August 14th, 2006This guy is seriously thinking of running for President? Oh Lordy, please, please make him the nominee in 2008!
vienna local
on August 14th, 2006It seems to me it’s 1 or 2 anti-Allen guys, posting under three or four aliases, while a few others are fighting about it. This is NOTHING!
Earl
on August 14th, 2006Earl-
Dude, you’re drinking too much cool aid, my man. You sound like an Allen propagandist. Look, I voted for Allen in 2000 and I donated to him this election cycle. But enough is enough with this guy. Too much stuff has happened and a lot of us are tired of it. You can keep telling yourself that this is not a big deal. After all, the easiest person for a human being to deceive is oneself. But facts do not cease to be just because they are ignored. I agree with loudoninsider’s sentiments that a lot of Americans are tired of both parties. We’re ready to hire someone for President who shows common sense and sound judgement. We don’t like people who display a commitment to a rigid, inflexible, fanatical ideology that functions like religion in the sense that the fundamental tenets cannot ever change.
Terpsfan4life
on August 14th, 2006One more brick in the wall.
Let’s not nominate this guy.
Giuliani. McCain. Romney. Huckabee, even.
With so many other options, counting on Allen to stop making these gaffes seems like a sucker’s bet.
Knemon
on August 14th, 2006George Allen really showed himself. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7g
Perfect Timing
on August 14th, 2006Oh boy,,,
Lets help clear up a little problem here-
Dean’s “scream” didn’t kill anything for Howard, his hardball appearance did- Dean said he would break up corporate media, when asked by Tweety on the College Hardball Tour, after that, the media went feeding and didn’t stop until the scream, when Dean had a fork in him-
Allen is another Smirker in a suit; a very, very tired act the electorate won’t buy due to overuse and abuse from the “not meeting expectations” administration-
Wtf Up and crown Hagel already, he understands our Republic, and would never StandDown our Military; wargame or no wargame-
RF
on August 14th, 2006t is most disheartened to learn of the untimely return of willis.
t
on August 14th, 2006I thought it was timely.
willis
on August 14th, 2006you can tell a lot about politicians and celebrities (think Mel Gibson) when they are speaking in an unscripted manner. a word like “macaque” doesn’t just pop into someone’s head by accident. clearly, this is a term that allen and/or his family have used in private.
racism is a very hard thing to expunge and this is exactly what most white people just don’t get.
this is even worse than mitt romney calling the construction problems in boston a “tar babay” (and i really did think that was bad.) candidates who can’t speak publicly without using racial slurs should be rejected by voters. this isn’t even a matter of politics. reasonable people can disagree over political issues, but not over candidates who “accidentally” use a racial slur.
candidates are a dime a dozen. if VA voters want to elect someone with the views of allen, then i’m sure that another candidate will appear to fill the void. unfortunately for VA republicans you are stuck with allen in ‘06, but in order to vote for him now you will have to put your conscience aside.
kensdad
on August 14th, 2006t-
How do you feel about Allen having stock in the company that produces the morning after pill? Does it bother you?
What did he say about that and has he offered to sell the stock?
Perfect Timing
on August 14th, 2006t said in an earlier post:
“I will not support Allen for President because he owns stock in the company which makes the abortion pill. I will unenthusiastically vote for him this November only because he is marginally better than the other bad alternative.”
t
on August 14th, 2006willis,
You are a self-proclaimed “political mercenary.” Your manner of blogging inflicts heartache and suffering. Please go back into retirement where you so rightly belong.
t
on August 14th, 2006“YOU IDIOTS HAVE JUMPED OFF THE DEEP END BECAUSE YOU’RE TOO IGNORANT TO KNOW HOW THE WORD IS PRONOUNCED IN THE FIRST PLACE.”
So Allen is a racist AND stupid.
Jestery
on August 14th, 2006At least I’m not a macaca.
willis
on August 14th, 2006You are right kensdad, we are stuck with him for 2006. However, I am not putting my conscience aside. I will vote for Webb this year. I met Webb at an event in Vienna a couple of months ago and liked what I saw. However, until this event I was still leaning toward Allen. Not any more.
CC
on August 14th, 2006Jestery,
Some of us “idiots” also kknow the genus/species names for a macaque as some of us have to know the Biological Classification System (at least those of us with graduate degrees in the Sciences.)
From http://www.genome.gov/Pages/Research/Sequencing/SeqProposals/RhesusMacaqueSEQ021203.pdf
“The White Paper for Complete Sequencing of the Rheses Macaque (Macaca Mulatta) Genome”
Macaque = Macaca
Enough said. It was and still is a Bad Allen trick!
Melissa
on August 14th, 2006I doubt if Allen was referring to the primate known as a Macaque. I suspect Fides had it as close as anyone in his/her comment. It was a nonsense name, intended to sound foreign and, coupled with the “welcome to America” rif, intended to isolate and disparage the guy given that he was a Webb bloodhound on the campaign trail. I don’t think most candidates do this kind of thing spontaneously. It think staff whispers in their ear (psst!, boss, the Webb guy is out there – let’s burn him. Here, call him a nasty name and make him seem like a real foreigner)
I doubt that they were overtly trying to say the guy was a “monkey.” It was stupid. If you think it was stupid enough to cause problems in 2008, you’ve got to think that it has similar impacts in 2006. I personally don’t think it was intended to be racist by Allen when he uttered the remark. If I am wrong about that, I wouldn’t vote for him for anything. I think it was just stupid.
The Republican Party has to be militant about avoiding any deed or word that could be racist. Candidates who can’t get this straight must move on to other pursuits.
NoVA Scout
on August 14th, 2006What George Allen wants us to believe is that he is calling another person a name and he does not know what the word means. Let us assume (for the sake of argument) that Allen really did not know the meaning to this word. Either Allen is calling a name he does not himself understand the meaning to, (how ridiculous would that be); or he did know what he was saying a chose to use this word anyway. I can’t see how it matters. Either way it was ignorant and wrong.
And BTW how can one really believe Allen did not know what he was saying when he followed it with the “welcome to America†comment.
Come on people stop drinking the kool- aid
moderate 5-19
on August 15th, 2006It seems that of the people posting here the least informed and the most ignorant are the ones not seeing anything wrong with this, which is typical of racists. His mom being Tunisian, his past history of racist activity should leave no doubt what he meant. This is a thug who used to hang nooses in his office, he is against Martin Luther King Day, he is for commemorating the confederate flag and the South’s role in the civil war, he has made such statements before, he is so obviously almost openly a high ranking member of the KKK, just dig a little and you can draw the same conclusion. Just the fact that he singled out the only non-white at the event for public humiliation is enough. These people have an agenda and that agenda is the control and eventual elimination of all non-whites, anyone of you who supports this man can not do so with a clear conscience unless you are willing to admit that you yourself are a stone cold racist. God help this country for what the “Republicans” are trying to do and God protect those who are fighting against them.
Time Is Coming
on August 15th, 2006But the kool-aid tastes so damn good!!
willis
on August 15th, 2006Watch the profanity willis. You’re starting to sound like Jimbo.
t
on August 15th, 2006I’m still voting and campaigning for Allen BECAUSE I DON’T CARE WHAT HE CALLED SOME MISLEAD LITTLE DEMOCRAT DUMBARSE.
The only thing he really did wrong was acknowledge the existance of the little pansy liberal arts minor.
Please get real and let’s all be just a little smarter than the idiot masses out there. Webb plays the “race” card, and you guys suck it up, like you’ve never seen a democrat DO THAT before.
:rolleyes:
The Voice
on August 15th, 2006G Chell, you’re one of them there gall-danged carpet-baggers, ain’t you?
The Voice
on August 15th, 2006I’m still voting and campaigning for Allen BECAUSE I DON’T CARE WHAT HE CALLED SOME MISLEAD LITTLE DEMOCRAT DUMBARSE.
existance of the little pansy liberal arts minor.
Your pathetic attempt at concealing your racial hatred is unraveled by the frequent usage of ‘ little ‘.
Is that the loony fringe Allen was hoping to energize with that remark? Bad for him there aren’t too many a#holes like ‘The Voice’ in the great state of VA.
macaca in chief
on August 15th, 2006And as the big macaca said to the little macaca…
“Look at the little monkey go”
Bye bye George Allen.
Mr. Football
on August 15th, 2006If you liked “macaca”, you’ll love the New Republic articles about Allen’s long obsession with the Confederate battle flag. As a teenager in Southern California, he wore a flag pin on his lapel in his high school picture. This interested continued through law school, up until he was in the State legislature. As a proud southerner, I still know that the confederate flag is most often used a code by racists, and don’t buy this “heritage not hate” line…
JBK
on August 15th, 2006CC,
i didn’t mean to say that you would have to set your conscience aside if you decided to vote for Webb. i only meant that anyone who chooses to vote for george allen would be setting aside their conscience now that he has revealed himself (yet again?) as someone who is comfortable using a racial slur (clearly, one that he thought he could get away with).
kensdad
on August 15th, 2006As I said earlier, Katherine Harris cheerleads racists…and she has some in her staff too…a typical American, wants to know the real racial background of candidates?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-harris1306aug13,0,2936635.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state
G. Chell
on August 15th, 2006Allen also speaks French.
This was so obviously a slur he learned from Mom, who as a white Tunisian may have used it for the indigenous North African population.
Look, the guy’s a racist. That may be part of his appeal among conservative Virginians, but it will hurt him in 2008.
WasforAllen
on August 15th, 2006hell, I didn’t know Allen was part macaca too..his mom is half nigger?
he just lost my vote
Greg
on August 15th, 2006To Poster #41. Why does someone need to tell you George Allen didn’t mean what he said?
I always find it ironic when non-white immigrants migrate to the US and after a while realize, oh, gee, I guess anyone with melanin in their skin is considered “one of them”. Whatever comfort you find in wrapping yourself in red state hate should make you just a bit uncomfortable now.
As George Allen did say, and did mean; Welcome to the real America. And they are not going to save you.
truth_be_told
on August 15th, 2006The more I think on it, the more bizarre it is.
If he’d come out and said “Look, I forgot the guys name, I apologize, no idea where that Macaca name came from” I’d think it perhaps disengenuous but not completely unreasonable.
But the whole Mohawk/Mullet explanation makes no sense at all, and I don’t know why they’re pushing it. At best, it means they’re making fun of the guys hairstyle, which seems a bit schoolyard. At worst, it means they’re lying, and it’s either a known insult or a nonsense name designed to make fun of someone foreign looking. Either way, Allen looks bad.
Fides
on August 15th, 2006The fact of the matter is that Allen has shown his true colors in his remark to this Mohawk-less (have you seen the pictures? It’s a rather dubious Mohawk) campaign worker who was following him around. The reason he has to try so hard to be folksy and call out the one non-white person in the audience, claiming to “show him America” is because he has never really been in touch with Virginia. He is from one of the richest suburbs of LA and is a fake, a fraud, a poser in coyboy boots who makes a pretty deadly Copenhagen habit look cool. As someone from the real South, I think that one of the most striking things about living in Charlottesville has been the lengths that non-Southerners like Allen take to be more stereotypically Southern-than-Southern. Allen’s comments are a typical symptom of the insecure non-Southerner; you have to be more self-rightously proud of the Confederacy than the average Southerner, you have to be more into doing stereotypically “Southern” things like wearing belt buckles and using dip, you have to pretend to like NASCAR (as opposed to those of us who actually do like it), and, above all- you have to be more intolerant- because you mistakenly believe that to be a vital attribute of the South.
Go back to the lush hills of Palos Verdes, California George Allen- stop giving the South and the great state of Virginia a bad name. We aren’t all racists and those of us who dip are mostly trying to quit. Give up the act-we all know that you are a carpetbagger anyways.
J. Britts
on August 15th, 2006Those who want to excuse Allen because they believe he didn’t know the meaning of the word are missing the obvious.
The tone of his words, the look on his face, the accusatory pointed finger, the blatant intent on humiliation — are there for any viewer to see. He reeks contempt for the Thomas Jefferson high school graduate and student at UVA. It is disgusting.
If James Webb had done this – how many of you cool aid drinkers would be crying fowl? You’d be aghast. This country needs it’s voters to have at least a semblance of objectivity. Do you think his comments were Christian? Is this how Virginians are supposed to treat one another? If you condone it, you are as bad as George Allen.
There is no place for this kind of condemnation of an innocent person in this county’s leadership. I hope George Allen is defeated.
Perfect Timing
on August 15th, 2006The sad thing is.. If what he said was not taken out of context and actually made a racial slur, it has fired up the ‘Bush is a savior’ crowd. You know, the ones who almost take pride in their ignorance.
Mandy
on August 15th, 2006It doesn’t matter what the word means, or who knew what it meant.
What matters is that Allen made a spectacle of himself by calling out the only person who was not white, implied he was not an American and did it deliberately.
He is not only damaged goods for 2008, he probably just destroyed his chances for Senate in 2006.
We don’t need people like this in the Republican Party.
blogo
on August 15th, 2006It’s hard for good Christians to deal with the Godlessness surrounding us every single day of our lives; the pro-homosexual lobby using our schools, schools that they’ve made ready for infiltration through the removal of mandatory prayer, to recruit our youth into homosexuality, the faithless scientists taking every opportunity to make us apostate, and the horror of what goes on cable television and the FCC’s unwillingness to deal with it.
And now we learn that this so-called Republican, part of God’s own party in America, supports the baby-killing industry? I would ask if anything was sacred anymore, but I think we all pretty much already know that the degenerate liberal elite, lording over us hardworking real Americans from their ivory towers, have managed to subvert even our Republican politicians in Christ-fearing states.
This is truly sad and I for one cannot tolerate it anymore. It seems to me these America-hating “business” Republicans are undermining the great strides we’ve made toward social conservatism. And they do it all in the name of profit. I have a good mind to find another party, one that does not allow those with black souls in, and I recommend you follow me to it if you really care about this once great nation’s youth.
Patrick Gardens
on August 15th, 2006ALL YOU IDIOTS-
MACAQUE is pronounced Ma-Kack
NOT Macaca
â€â€jester
Jester,
By the way this is also from the NationMaster list of of ethnic slurs
Makak
(Belgium & the Netherlands) a Moroccan; derived from macaque
What American uses the term “macaca?” What America has that word easily on their lips? Even if you wanted to insult or embarass someone there would a wealth of other names to call him. Well in turns out that macaca and macaque are worlds used in the racist white power subculture. In fact, it’s a word you can use to say [tasteful edit of the n-word] without people knowing that what you mean.
KevinNYC
on August 16th, 2006What’s SNU? In 2000 racist campaigning worked well for the GOP – in the south in general and in Virginia in particular. That’s how George Allen got to the Senate. His return to racist tactics shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
Thinbossom
on August 16th, 2006BTW, kudos to the Conservatives/Republicans who can have a clear perspective on this.
This was clearly a nasty comment, and to see folks who can rise above partisanship to see that makes me long for less partisan days.
In return, I will double my efforts to call out someone from my side of the aisle when he or she does the equivalent.
Let’s face it, with the partisan atmosphere right now, there’s little someone on one side of the aisle can say about someone on the other, no matter how true, that won’t get dismissed as mere partisanship. In somewhat less partisan times watching each other worked, but now the fight is getting so nasty it fails.
We both have to work to keep our houses clean.
Fides
on August 16th, 2006Watch Nightline they have the full story with the video. What he said was racists and it is wrong. I know that I won’t vote for him for one basic principle (Treating people with respect.) and that is who we are (Americans)
Thank you
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/
david
on August 17th, 2006