Second Annual TC Turkey of the Year Contest

By Loudoun Insider

Step right up, folks, and cast your vote.  I’ll talley ’em up and make the call on Thanksgiving.

Personally, I am so damn torn – there are just so many great choices.  Is it last year’s winner Stevens Miller for continuing to have the worst case of foot in mouth disease ever seen in a local politician?  Is it Andrea McGimsey for finding ever more baffling ways to create conflicts of interest?  Hatrick, for being, Hatrick?  Is it Establishment Ken for his elitist proposal to increase filing fees and charge delegates?  In keeping with the “ethnic” themes inherent in Thanksgiving, is it Whitebread Howie Lind?  Is it Dick Black, for being simply the wackiest politician ever?  So many suitable choices, among others.  I’ll make my vote after pondering this for a while.


  • The Bulletproof Monk says:

    Let’s make it official…. Andrea McGimPsy.

  • BlackOut says:

    Monk, back down, it’s not Thursday yet. Are you always this premature?

  • Linda B says:

    What’s the matter, BO? Hoping to garner more votes today and tomorrow? Alright, I’ll second LL’s vote for you, for all the reasons she names and also because I want you to feel like you can at least claim victory in SOMETHING this fine November. 🙂

  • Sarah says:

    LI, if Black Out wins, what picture will be used for the turkey head? A black oval? How about nominating Barbara for attacking anonymity of posts that disagree with her, while exempting her ‘collegue’ BO.

    I’m waivering on changing my vote from School Board Chairman John Stevens to At-Large member Tom Reed for his whining about “accusations of criminal acts” and his threat to deflect reasonable citizen questions to the Commonwealth Attorney. Too bad his transparency doesn’t apply to LCPS’ Planning Dept.

  • Sarah says:

    You are right LI, there are so many choices when you think about it. I have to change my vote to Dr. Sam Adamo for yelling at me and Ms. Polishuk in LCPS’ Planning Dept, stating our review of engineering drawings labeled Wheatland Farm was akin to him “looking in [my] purse” and for getting angry about me setting up a video camera at a public meeting in Lovettsville saying that I should have “asked for permission”.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Sarah, Happy Turkey day to you.

    I disagree with BlackOut on some items, but you might take time to note that when we disagree, we stick to issues, and it does not devolve into him dismissing my points because I am “paid by developers”, “paid by big oil”, “paid by (insert demonized group or individual here)”, and so on.

    You really are stuck on that rebuke from Adamo, aren’t you?

    Is that because there is some truth to the rumor that his temporary absence from the office granted an opportunity to rifle through other papers?

    Granted, it is all absolved if you found more conspiracy fodder, right?

    What will the group do (as represented by the uniform use of the Imperial We in your latest letter, with a signature in the singular) when plans move forward by the private purchaser of a portion of Wheatlands?

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    p.s.–re recording public meetings, the opportunity to do that is supposed to be addressed at the beginning of the meeting, and the process is not supposed to disrpt the meeting.

    i.e., it is perfectly fine to record, but it must be disclosed and not interruptive.

    Not saying you were, but I’d love to hear the other side.

  • Sarah says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to you too Barbara.

    By the way, I spoke with an attorney with the VA FOIA Council this week. He told me that FOIA includes all documents, not just final versions. All this time I had made the mistake of believing what you once posted about draft documents being exempted from FOIA. That means that LCPS violated my March 2009 FOIA request for withholding the very drawing Ms. Polishuk and I were looking at, in plain sight. No conspiracy Barbara, put yourself in her position, she operates a commercial organic vegetable farm, knowing where LCPS planned to site the WWTP for their 4,000 student complex is reasonable. To this day, they never provided that drawing and so many others that were included in my FOIA requests.

    Sorry for my digression LI.

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    Don’t stymie Barb with facts, Sarah, she finds rumors so much more productive.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Eric, Happy Thanksgiving to you, AHLD.

    Facts aren’t stymies, unless they get in the way of a good conspiracy.

    Sarah, please see Code of VA § 2.2-3705.1. Exclusions to application of chapter; exclusions of general application to public bodies.

    5. Records recorded in or compiled exclusively for use in closed meetings lawfully held pursuant to § 2.2-3711.

    8. Appraisals and cost estimates of real property subject to a proposed purchase, sale or lease, prior to the completion of such purchase, sale or lease.

    12. Records relating to the negotiation and award of a specific contract where competition or bargaining is involved and where the release of such records would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body. Such records shall not be withheld after the public body has made a decision to award or not to award the contract.

    As your request was made in March, and the property was not voted upon until some months later, any papers you two rooted around in may indeed have been lawfully exempt working documents at the time.

    See VA Code § 2.2-3711. Closed meetings authorized for certain limited purposes, A. Public bodies may hold closed meetings only for the following purposes: 3. Discussion or consideration of the acquisition of real property for a public purpose, or of the disposition of publicly held real property, where discussion in an open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body.


    I thought I understood her position when she appeared before the commission against Grubb, and said she’d been farming 200 acres for nearly 20 years feeding people, and I was impressed and humbled.

    When researching her property to see how close she was to the site, I could find only twenty acres that had been deeded a few years previously. When researching further I found she had been employed there since her teens, and had been manager for the total 200 for some years.

    A look at the following site
    tells me that the primary crop is organic compost.

    Which is fine. People may not eat it, but they can certainly eat what grows in it, there or somewhere else.

    It is just a bit of a contrast with that first public hearing image.


    As I said, it appears it struck a nerve with you on getting caught, or you wouldn’t still be hot about it over a year later.


  • BlackOut says:

    Barbara, Happy Thanksgiving! Let’s let the staff go home early. No need to keep them at the grind stone till the usual 9PM.

    Linda B, thank you for the attempt to elevate my status, and most importantly Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Virtual turkey and good wishes to those not at your table.

    Sarah, one shouldn’t be fretting and writing FOIA’s during a holiday but have at it as you will. Enjoy.

  • BlackOut says:

    BTW Linda and LL, I will always proudly be considered a turkey. Go Hokies! Beat the s*it out of UVA.

  • Kyle/localgop for being the most insane, conservative hating, RINO blogger in the entire state.

  • Sarah says:

    Barbs’ point about certain exemptions is true, but the law says if some information is withheld, the statute that allows the incomplete response needs to be specified in the response. She nonetheless is quite wrong that FOIA responses need only be final documents.
    No new FOIAs here BO, still waiting for LCPS to find the hydrogeo data referenced in the $23,100 Nov2009 invoice. They can’t seem to figure out if it “doesn’t exist” or if they magically “already gave it to me”, before it was even prepared. Tried to call about it on Monday, but Admin got the week paid furlough too.
    Barb, you aimed and missed the point entirely – he acted like a turkey and gets my vote. But you were right about one thing, your initial impression of Ellen was definitely the correct one, we can all learn alot from her. Next time though Barb, especially in the spirit of Thanksgiving, please save your venom for me.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Sorry, Sarah, but I never said they had to be “final documents”. Be precise, because the process is.

    Any documents on which a decision has been rendered are no loger “working documents”, and have become the public records to which any citizen is entitled (unless they fall under other exemptions).

    The Superintentendt’s PROPOSED CIP is an example.

    Do you know when planning zone maps began to be released as part of the CIP and boundary process?

    Back when HS-2 (now Freedom) was being moved back on a yearly basis, with Dominion passing it and Briar Woods proposed to, we couldn’t figure out how we could be adding two thousand homes per year and lsoing projections like mad. (the two-pronged planning approach which kept moving zoned yet undeveloped land into other projection zones added great theoretical numbers to empty areas, and the cohort survival counted kids in zones where they were served, instead of where they lived)

    We requested the planning zone maps, and were told we could not have them, as they were a working document.

    Once the proposed CIP (which is only a final doc at that stage in the process; it is superceded by the school board adopted CIP at the next completed stage) was issued, i.e. a decision was rendered, then we could have the maps, stamped “DRAFT” because a final adopted version had not yet occurred.

    They are published now as a matter of course, but they were not 12 years ago.

    As I said, be precise. If the State FOIA Advisory Council “told” you something, was it a rendered opinion, or a for-instance based on your version of events? I await the lawsuit, if the former.


    As for Ms Polishuk, what she does is impressive enough as a job and vocation. Why is there a need to gild that lily in uniformly advocating against public services?

    Why not “I’ve been working on this land since I was a kid, and now manage this many acres which produce this. Four years ago I was lucky enough to purchase this much of it.” and so on? That is compelling in and of itself.

    Selective truth loses some of the glow when it’s revealed.

    At least IMO.

  • AFF says:

    I voted yesterday, pre turkey and it didn’t go through- Black

  • Loudoun Lady says:

    “Kyle/localgop for being the most insane, conservative hating, RINO blogger in the entire state.”

    Right ON RighonGallows! Local is a knucklehead.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Alrighty, time to call it, new post with Andrea McGimsey as winner will be above. I think her over-riding self interest regarding her particular right causes is the primary reason. Dick Black comes in second with John Stevens and I tied next. Here they are in order:

    Andrea McGimsey 7
    Dick Black 5
    John Stevens 3
    Loudoun Insider 3
    BlackOut 2
    Lowell Feld 1
    Eugene Delgaudio 1
    Michael Steele 1
    Liz Bradsher 1
    Sam Adamo 1
    local GOP 1

  • Loudoun Lady says:

    Congrats to the winner – Ms McGimsey is quite the local Turkey!

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