Will They Ever Get To Five?

By Loudoun Insider

BOS votes, that is, for any Loudoun County redistricting plan.  The machinations continue, with Stevens Miller now pushing for the fourth plan put forth by the coalition of large eastern Loudoun HOAs.  The HOA 4 Plan is available at Miller’s blog with a narrative.  This one is definitely the best put forth yet from the HOAs, but there will still be plenty of opposition to it from Leesburg and western Loudoun interests, and individual supervisors and candidates who won’t be getting what they want.  I still do not believe any plan has a solid five votes for it, including this one. 

From the Miller perspective, backing some version of the HOA plan gets him the most political mileage for his rumored state Senate run, while this new revision puts him in with his chief nemesis Eugene Delgaudio should he want to stay on the BOS.  Miller gets his wish to try to be a Dem hero by beating either Dick Black or Eugene Delgaudio (if he can, which is very doubtful).  Rumors continue to swirl about Miller’s wife running against Delgaudio, but the Dems already have three candidates in the running for that district with all sorts of drama developing over their nomination process.  I don’t see Mrs. Miller hopping into the middle of that, but who knows.

This plan also dashes Andrea McGimsey’s wishes to be redistricted away from her current constituents.  I’ve been hearing that she may be having second thoughts about running for re-election now, and the demise of the LCDC-centric plans and their “go west young woman” theme for McG probably has a lot to do with that.

Western Loudoun interests will still not be happy since it creates a geographically huge western Loudoun district.  It also puts candidate Malcolm Baldwin in with Jim Burton, probably precluding a Baldwin run.  This plan does open things up for Janet Clarke, however, by putting Geary Higgins in with Leesburg, which he will probably not be too thrilled about.

Leesburg won’t be thrilled about any plan that splits Leesburg in any way, but there appears to be no way to keep Leesburg intact and keep to the population limits for a district.  This plan has Leesburg in three districts, but the bulk of it in one, so that may reduce the consternation.  Maybe.  I have no clue where Kelly Burk and Ken Reid live but they and others do and their concerns will matter.

I really wish Loudoun had more time for this process, and that a truly non-partisan committee (as if that were possible!) could have been put together to handle this process.  Unfortunately that was not the hand dealt to Loudoun with the census-election time frame so tight.  Loudoun’s ridiculous 84% growth rate since the last census, besting the next highest statewide growth rate (PWC) by nearly 2-1, doesn’t help either.  But the time for dithering on this is quickly coming to a close, so let’s hope something we can all live with for ten years emerges.


  • BOS Insider says:

    Miller 5 just passed the first cut on a 5-4 vote — waters, miller, york delgaudio voting no.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Looks like the LCDC plan (Miller 5) has 5 votes.

    And Miller doesn’t even have to vote for it for it to pass! lol

  • Matt Letourneau says:

    Watching Supervisor Miller frantically trying to get his name off of his own plan is really quite entertaining.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Anybody tune in, the fur is flying!

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Matt, I cheered when Miller accepted Waters’ friendly amendment to rename it “LCDC”!


  • Matt Letourneau says:

    Honestly, guys, I hope everyone is watching this via webstream. This debate is must-see TV.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Burton is demanding a reread of the transcript–he’s claiming they adopted a plan already.

  • Verbal Kint says:

    What a complete and total lack of boardsmanship from Sally Kurtz, Susan Buckley, Kelly Burk and Andrea McGimsey. Totally disgusting of them to not have the courage to have their names attached to the plans they support.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    None of them want to admit they support the LCDC plan under that name, since the committee chair sent around the talking points that the HOA plan was a “stealth LCRC) plan.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    What a mess–another break to draw pictures.

  • Matt Letourneau says:

    It is pretty clear that the board is hell bent on railroading Miller 5 through on a 5-4 vote.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    From the very beginning.

  • Ashburn advocate says:

    Ashburn got screwed trying to work with York Waters and Miller. Neither of them had the votes to pass any of the HOA plans. All you HOA “leaders” in Broadlands, Brambleton etc. got hosed by these people.

  • Frylock says:

    Miller 5 is quite the gerrymandered plan

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Kabuki pie fight–amendment to two hours-ago’s substitute to make 8 at-large.

  • New Voice says:

    I heard Mike Turner was in a Loudoun high school classroom last week bragging to the teens about how the LCDC drew the redistricting plan (presumably Miller 5) to protect LCDC interests – McGimsey has to be in a “new” district if she has any chance to win, a new D candidate had to be sacrificed to run against a strong opponent. But as Lori said, the sleeping giant has now woken up and Burton, McGimsey and Burk will be gone come November.

    And Buckley talking about balance is a crock. It’s balanced in that it screws the most people possible – spread the pain so each person feels it less? Is that how we define balance these days?

  • Matt Letourneau says:

    Yes, for those that weren’t watching–Miller 5 passed 5-4. I don’t even need to tell you who voted which way.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Damn. I wish I could have watched this.

  • Matt Letourneau says:

    It will be up in the archives tomorrow. Everyone should watch it. The Board actually voted down (5-4) a Waters amendment merely to ask staff to determine the feasibility of a potential switch in her district.

    Rather remarkable–the Supervisors from the West get to craft districts exactly how they want them, the Supervisors from the East–aided and abetted by Supervisors McGimsey and Buckley–get no say whatsoever on their own districts. It was obvious from the debate that several Supervisors had no idea where many of the places that Waters and Miller brought up even where.

  • Eric the 1/2 troll says:

    How do you think two supervisors can supposedly craft districts. Hyperbole.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    I partuclarly enjoyed Burton’s questioning of Waters proposed switch to keep some of Broad Run together near University Center: “You mean that pink blob and that purple blob?”

    The HOAs were played masterfully.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Hardly, Eric.

    The votes were there from the beginning for the LCDC plan.

    Ms. Buckley even said, a couple hours before the ballet finally ended “We have the votes, we should just pass it”.

  • Fear & Loathing says:

    So the Miller 5 plan passes without Mr. Miller supporting it. That alone is priceless. Then he tries to get his name off of it and 5 vote to keep it so named. The democratic plan disinfanchises so many communities particularly those that Mr. Miller represents. They played him like a violin. The only trouble is, if the Republicans are smart, they will immediately point out how communities of interest were totally by-passed in favor of the western, open space crowd. Less density, more representation. How does that work? The Republicans are being handed a golden opportunity, let’s hope they seize it.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Sounds like a real mess, sorry I missed it!

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Quick result post is up at the top of the page – let’s move the aftermath commentary there, please. I’ll post more as I get to it.

  • Leej says:

    This is hilarious. Miller drafts a plan called the Miller Plan. Then changes his mind and wants one of the HOA plans. Then he tries to get his name off of his plan. The BOS votes to leave his name on the Miller plan. ha ha ha ha Then the BOS votes to approve the Miller Plan ha ha ha ha ha And Miller votes against his plan. ha ha ha ha ha. Weird is all you can say ha ha ha 😉 😉

    I watched all this live and it was weird. 🙂 Another weird day in Loudoun politics.

  • Eastern Loudouner says:

    I’ll just piggy-back on what Matt Letourneau said. Buckley was an embarrassment today. She’s better than this. Saying their are 5 votes, let’s just pass it. What a joke. Buckley tarnished her entire 4 years on this board. And why? To protect Kelly Burk and to draw a district for Malcolm Baldwin?

    As for McGimsey, good luck getting elected in a brand new district. Your days are numbered.

  • Leej says:

    Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the Miller Plan originally done by Lori Waters ???

  • Leej says:

    Now on a good note Miller and others on the BOS approved the rt 28 zoning and Dulles World today. Now when they approve Lerners new town center at the mall, the BOS would be fools not to get a URBAN interchange at 7 and countryside for approval.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    Miller did what he had to do for the Senate district he’s running in that doesn’t exist yet.

    There were five other votes to pass the DEMOCRATIC PLAN no matter what he did.

    The ones who may have been played were the HOAs, which McG prefers to call “neighborhoods”.

    I don’t care if she calls them “Bert and Ernie”. Today if everyone didn’t get a very clear view of how the majority of the county is viewed by the minute fraction of a percent that makes up the BoS, then we’re ALL played.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    Lee, this plan is commonly referred to as the LCDC Plan. I don’t think Waters had much to do with it. Now I am no Stevens Miller booster, but I think he did the right thing here.

  • edmundburkenator says:

    Barbara, is it the two western districts that has you feeling “played”?

    If we weren’t going to 10 districts (my preference) I don’t see a way to make this work without someone getting disappointed.

    LI was right some time ago. Late census numbers made this ugly project uglier. Too bad the process could have been undertaken by a non-partisan group (if that exists in this county).

  • New Voice says:

    The Miller Plan was originally done by Mike Turner and a few others in the LCDC.

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    I’ll try this one more time – now that we have a “winner” I would suggest taking the discussion to the new post at the top.

  • Barbara Munsey says:

    eb, the “played” part is that I may end up with Miller as my state Senator, because the preordained aspect of this gave him the opportunity to “fight” passionately for something that was never going to happen, and that might fool enough people into bumping him up to bigger and better things (for him).

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    I personally believe Miller did the right thing here (for a change) – it really made no sense for him politically in any way to fight the HOAs. But whether he was faking it or not, he took the most politically advantageous path and he did it well.

  • Black/Delgaudio fan says:

    There you go again, defending liberal Democrats like Stephens Miller. Miller did this all for his campaign and put a lot of good folks in Ashburn through a lot of pain. I hope Dick Black knocks him on his ass!

  • Loudoun Insider says:

    BDF, enough of your schtick. No one in the blogosphere has taken more shots at Stevens Miller than I have.

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